"In-the-knows" have painted themselves into a corner

Burroass defecates through his mouth:

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

mat40 wrote:
It's not a question for "to beleive or not to beleive" if not, i won't still be here.
It's a question of logic, and i remember my last post here :
Why isn't it possible to have discussion here on what appears unlogical??
Why is it always shut down by always the same kind of stupid messages :
What i don't understand, it is the fact that it's always postponed.



Appeal to logic? OK...but be aware that logical rigidity is like living by an intellectual sword...those who appeal strictly to it...shall perish by it.
Inductive validity requires us to define a reliable generalization of some set of observations. An attempt to apply deduction (mathematic precision) analysis to our situation is doomed to confusion simply due to the absence of necessary components of information in the general forum population. The values to these variables are supplied to individuals vetted as disciplined custodians…we, the general forum citizenry have demonstrated, with unfortunate reliability, insufficient regiment of constraint to process
calmly the information that has been dispersed.
Consider…
In logic there are several Fallacies of presumption...one commonly tripped over is the Fallacy of Accident. The Fallacy of Accident begins with the statement of some principle that is true as a general rule, but then errs by applying this principle to a specific case that is unusual or atypical in some way.
Two common and even reasonable propositions:
The payouts are reported progressing from largest to smallest and are supposedly down to $100M range.
Acquaintanced accounts are in the $100M range.
These Acquaintances have not been paid.
Therefore…they have either been missed, passed over…or there are no payouts whatsoever.
In order for reports of payouts to be true…they must follow logical progression.
Payouts are not following logical progression.
Therefore: Reports of payouts cannot be true.
Any number of logical variances or structural branching embedded in the above syllogisms will betray and disable the conclusion…and in reality multiple variances accompany this situation…reducing logical analysis as tantamount to a coin toss.
A true universal premise would entail the truth of these conclusions...the truth of a general rule, on the other hand, leaves plenty of room for exceptional cases, and applying inadequately informed premises
to any of them will reliably find residence in the graveyard of logical fallacies.
There is nothing in reality that conforms strictly to logic.
No one has been skipped or missed...multitudes have and everyone will receive notice in logical fashion as actual progression continues to be reported.
The forums receive information in accordance to our demonstrated collective character…we receive what we deserve. We are fortunate to receive the vanilla versions that we do...they won't be required for
much longer.
Burrr

Todays Bull****:


Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:46 am Post subject:
The range in values of daily payouts is massive. On Friday, the higher end of that range
lowered a little as did the bottom end the range. The bottom end is still massive.
In respect to anyone's commonsense, we do not expect anyone to announce on this forum or elsewhere of their good news.
Further, this process is a closure of one's account which requires confirmation of confidentiality by the recipient and acknowledgement that this is a final and full settlement.
The daily canvassing of information takes hours each day. The number of people that draw information together is substantial and the completeness of daily data is thorough. The largest beneficiary would have to be the telecommunication companies, due to the cost of
this daily process.
Given all the information available each day, the confidentialiy that has been securely maintained within 'mission control' has been such that it has been impossible to grasp the fullness of this operation. None of us came anywhere close in understanding the size of this
advent.
The volumes of payouts being made each day are very high and it is on a pathway that will reach us all.
Cheers Budi perfect beach weather

Huge,massive,very high.

The only thing very high is budi and his BS imagination.Lol.

Note how budi is attemting to explain why nobody has posted paid.Yes,it's that old favourite NDA again.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The only thing very high is budi and his BS imagination.Lol.

Seems more are coming to that same conclusion. And not letting the shut up and believe or leave crew bully them into keeping quiet about it.

Yes they are covering their ass right now with the confidentiality bull**** again, because obviously no one will post because no one will be paid, not now not in the near future.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes they are covering their ass right now with the confidentiality bull**** again, because obviously no one will post because no one will be paid, not now not in the near future.

You can leave "near" out of that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can leave "near" out of that.

LOL.

There are no payouts and never will be.Budi's payment nonsense is a worn out record. Even the die hard mushrooms are starting to have doubts.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
What a crock! Burroak is full of ****! I would have taken a certain amount of pleasure in publicly demolishing him a long time ago if the forum "non"-leaders would have permitted. He reminds me of Aesop's old fable of the toad and the ox in which he could so easily be -- you have guessed!-- the toad. The total absence of real quality that characterizes his highfalutin English can probably be best encapsulated by the following few words: disdainful and counterproductive sarcasm wrapped in sanctimonious pomposity. He almost certainly doesn't think he needs to take or retake and advanced writing course, yet he most definitely, and rather pathetically, does. For his English lacks the two qualities that are the hallmark of good writing: precision and clarity. So much for his syntax and vocabulary... And when it comes to organization, it's even worse. His arguments tend to be unsubstantiated, disjointed and circuitous, as they are invariably sucked into the emotional vortex of his egomania. It's as if everything must come from him and lead back to him. Of course, I probably don't possess enough authority to criticize him. I just teach advanced English writing, so what should I know?

At any rate, I hope that the above literary comments make you who have suffered Burroak's adolescent and fumbling rantings, along with the many non-native-English-speaker/writer friends, feel a little better.

Regards,

Finally there's someone with some intelligence posting here. I couldn't agree more with you!

I've been privileged to be included in a elite group of forum members who truly understand this whole SI disaster. One of our group sent this spectacular letter to the PHP forum leaders. It is planned to be dispersed through e-mails to as many of the two forum's members as possible after it is realized that they have played as the biggest fools imaginable to all humankind.

I disagree that this great work be restricted to the viewing of a certain select group. This masterpiece deserves to receive the bright lights and applause it warrants.

You're really going to like this:

Open letter to Budigower and Pingman

The person who wrote this letter did not sign it for two reasons. First, he or she does not wish to be subsequently involved in needless, embittering controversy. And second, he or she has ample reason to believe that most of the views expressed below are shared by a very significant number of present or past SI forum members, even though these views would almost certainly be refused entry to the forums. There is no question that I (this person) am very far from being alone in thinking the way I do; which is why I took the liberty of using the subject pronoun 'we' instead of 'I' after this first paragraph.
WE are seriously questioning your integrity. And if integrity didn't come into play, we would have to question your sanity.
We are not questioning your integrity as it may be perceived by members of your closed inner circle. We are questioning it as it is or will soon be perceived by numerous people outside that circle.
Over the past couple of years, you have consistently given short shrift to the 'what if?' questions that potentially challenged your loudly proclaimed and jealously guarded beliefs. "What if this isn't really true"? "What if some, most, or all of our 'information providers' are part of an elaborate and sadistic plot"? "What if this has been an extended scam all along?" "WHAT IF WE HAVE BEEN WRONG?" Call your attention deficit intolerance, or call it complacency, smugness, stubbornness, short-sightedness, blindness – whatever it is, is both unprofessional and irresponsible.
It is unprofessional because you should always have been aware of the high probability of an ultimate payment failure, the distinct probability of a scam, and should have given these probabilities the room they deserve. It is irresponsible (if not unethical) because little or no thought was given to the consequences of your intellectual insularity on people who never had a real chance to consider opposing views. In more concrete terms: if some forum members prematurely quit a job they didn't like after you convinced them they would soon be millionaires, you are responsible; if other people continued, or started, to spend money they don't have after you convinced them they would soon have the means to pay off all their debts, you are responsible; if a lot of folks have to deal with dangerously high levels of anger, or depression, or both when their expected payouts vanish from you radar screens, you will be responsible.
You should, at the very least, have reserved a small corner of your forum for articulate skeptics. A forum is, by definition, a democratic instrument or venue. What would a democracy become without at least one opposition party? What would a democracy become if its government officials systematically snuffed out dissenting voices? It would become a totalitarian regime like the one you have been maintaining. And that kind of regime is something we abhor.
Not everybody sees the world through the prism of your seemingly unflinching, all-encompassing optimism; which is their right. Not everybody believes that a handful of 'New Agers' blessed with divine intentions and empowered by fabulous, if belated, SI payouts will be able to cure the ills of this world; and that, too, is their right – all the more so as you (not they, not we) have always been 'on the wild side' of things.
When, after two years without ANY VERIFIABLE PAYOUT, a greenhorn like Simonsage is still being advertised as one of your best information sources, we begin to wonder what's going on. When, after two years without any verifiable payout, a bitter, self-centered, adolescent-minded person like Burroak is still involved in the management of one-and-a-half or more SI forums, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after two years without verifiable payouts, a despicable individual like SIVIP, another of your vaunted information sources, is still allowed to verbally defecate on us, poor ignorant forum serfs, in exchange for his, oh so precious, stinking bits of information, we keep wondering what's going on. When your anticipated payout completion date has been pushed back another month for the past 13 months around the middle of practically each month, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after months and months of assumed preparation, experimentation and false starts, it has taken four or five major banks an additional three months (and two 'clean-up days') to process probably fewer than 6,000 and certainly fewer than 10,000 accounts, we keep wondering what's going on. But when none of these supposedly processed accounts is verifiably held by at least ONE of us, we have to keep wondering what's going on. And when, after two years without verifiable payouts, there is still no difference to us between your 'sightings' and glimpses of UFOs, we have to say, "This is it".

Then when we put all this together, our wonderings turn into disgust. Just how gullible do you guys think we are? And just how gullible ARE YOU?

The variously computed amounts of our expected payouts are as improbable as they are astronomical. You wouldn't arrive at these figures even if you added Cinderella to Alice in Wonderland. Well, of course, Alice and Cinderella are useful characters: they entertain us and lift up our spirits. But in the real world, they don't exist.
Perhaps you should have a chat with Nick Leeson, who now lives in County Galway, Ireland, and is quite approachable. His fraudulent trades caused Barings to lose 1.4 billion dollars in 1992 – and that was enough to sink the bank. Poof! No more Barings. Oh, and yes, Leeson was a kind of 'New Ager', too: he had used Chinese numerology to push his luck.
Or maybe you should talk to Jerome Kerviel, an English-speaking Frenchman whose shady dealings caused Societe Generale to lose 7.2 billion dollars as recently as January of this year – and that was almost enough to sink the world's largest bank for derivatives trading.
Or should we remind you that Northern Rock had to be nationalized by the British Government in February of this year after panicky depositors collectively withdrew what amounted to a little less than 2 billion dollars, on September 14, 2007?
Should we also remind you of what Morgan Stanley announced last December – that it would (only) need a 5-billion-dollar capital infusion from the China Investment Corporation to dig itself out of its near-bankruptcy hole after extensive losses ascribed to the American sub-prime crisis?
So there we are: it takes less than a 10-billion-dollar loss or emergency capital infusion somewhere on this planet to send tremors through our world's entire financial system, but several lucky-savvy-persistent former SI investors are going to secretly receive over one billion each from whoever bought out Sam & company! On what planet do you people reside? On what planet are you trying to make us live?
You have been dreaming. JUST ADMIT IT! Including us, often forcibly, in your visions of Oz may or may not have been well-intentioned to begin with. But whatever your initial intentions actually were, it's time to wake up, NOW. It's been wake-up time since a year ago.
Losing a hard-fought battle is not much fun. We all know that. But those who have this supreme courage, the ability to lose gracefully, those who can humbly say their mea culpa when they publicly admit that they were wrong, can still stand tall. We urge you to do just that. If you don't, what you will get for all your past efforts is more than your share of pity and scorn.
This is the endgame. Solid Investment is dead and there are no SI zombies come back from the dead. The time has come to put this protracted saga to rest, after a brief period of mourning. Let everyone grieve. And then, let everyone move on.
We urge you to PLEASE not prolong the agony

[sam colins]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
What a crock! Burroak is full of ****! I would have taken a certain amount of pleasure in publicly demolishing him a long time ago if the forum "non"-leaders would have permitted. He reminds me of Aesop's old fable of the toad and the ox in which he could so easily be -- you have guessed!-- the toad. The total absence of real quality that characterizes his highfalutin English can probably be best encapsulated by the following few words: disdainful and counterproductive sarcasm wrapped in sanctimonious pomposity. He almost certainly doesn't think he needs to take or retake and advanced writing course, yet he most definitely, and rather pathetically, does. For his English lacks the two qualities that are the hallmark of good writing: precision and clarity. So much for his syntax and vocabulary... And when it comes to organization, it's even worse. His arguments tend to be unsubstantiated, disjointed and circuitous, as they are invariably sucked into the emotional vortex of his egomania. It's as if everything must come from him and lead back to him. Of course, I probably don't possess enough authority to criticize him. I just teach advanced English writing, so what should I know?

At any rate, I hope that the above literary comments make you who have suffered Burroak's adolescent and fumbling rantings, along with the many non-native-English-speaker/writer friends, feel a little better.

Regards,

Finally there's someone with some intelligence posting here. I couldn't agree more with you!

I've been privileged to be included in a elite group of forum members who truly understand this whole SI disaster. One of our group sent this spectacular letter to the PHP forum leaders. It is planned to be dispersed through e-mails to as many of the two forum's members as possible after it is realized that they have played as the biggest fools imaginable to all humankind.

I disagree that this great work be restricted to the viewing of a certain select group. This masterpiece deserves to receive the bright lights and applause it warrants.

You're really going to like this:

Open letter to Budigower and Pingman

The person who wrote this letter did not sign it for two reasons. First, he or she does not wish to be subsequently involved in needless, embittering controversy. And second, he or she has ample reason to believe that most of the views expressed below are shared by a very significant number of present or past SI forum members, even though these views would almost certainly be refused entry to the forums. There is no question that I (this person) am very far from being alone in thinking the way I do; which is why I took the liberty of using the subject pronoun 'we' instead of 'I' after this first paragraph.
WE are seriously questioning your integrity. And if integrity didn't come into play, we would have to question your sanity.
We are not questioning your integrity as it may be perceived by members of your closed inner circle. We are questioning it as it is or will soon be perceived by numerous people outside that circle.
Over the past couple of years, you have consistently given short shrift to the 'what if?' questions that potentially challenged your loudly proclaimed and jealously guarded beliefs. "What if this isn't really true"? "What if some, most, or all of our 'information providers' are part of an elaborate and sadistic plot"? "What if this has been an extended scam all along?" "WHAT IF WE HAVE BEEN WRONG?" Call your attention deficit intolerance, or call it complacency, smugness, stubbornness, short-sightedness, blindness – whatever it is, is both unprofessional and irresponsible.
It is unprofessional because you should always have been aware of the high probability of an ultimate payment failure, the distinct probability of a scam, and should have given these probabilities the room they deserve. It is irresponsible (if not unethical) because little or no thought was given to the consequences of your intellectual insularity on people who never had a real chance to consider opposing views. In more concrete terms: if some forum members prematurely quit a job they didn't like after you convinced them they would soon be millionaires, you are responsible; if other people continued, or started, to spend money they don't have after you convinced them they would soon have the means to pay off all their debts, you are responsible; if a lot of folks have to deal with dangerously high levels of anger, or depression, or both when their expected payouts vanish from you radar screens, you will be responsible.
You should, at the very least, have reserved a small corner of your forum for articulate skeptics. A forum is, by definition, a democratic instrument or venue. What would a democracy become without at least one opposition party? What would a democracy become if its government officials systematically snuffed out dissenting voices? It would become a totalitarian regime like the one you have been maintaining. And that kind of regime is something we abhor.
Not everybody sees the world through the prism of your seemingly unflinching, all-encompassing optimism; which is their right. Not everybody believes that a handful of 'New Agers' blessed with divine intentions and empowered by fabulous, if belated, SI payouts will be able to cure the ills of this world; and that, too, is their right – all the more so as you (not they, not we) have always been 'on the wild side' of things.
When, after two years without ANY VERIFIABLE PAYOUT, a greenhorn like Simonsage is still being advertised as one of your best information sources, we begin to wonder what's going on. When, after two years without any verifiable payout, a bitter, self-centered, adolescent-minded person like Burroak is still involved in the management of one-and-a-half or more SI forums, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after two years without verifiable payouts, a despicable individual like SIVIP, another of your vaunted information sources, is still allowed to verbally defecate on us, poor ignorant forum serfs, in exchange for his, oh so precious, stinking bits of information, we keep wondering what's going on. When your anticipated payout completion date has been pushed back another month for the past 13 months around the middle of practically each month, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after months and months of assumed preparation, experimentation and false starts, it has taken four or five major banks an additional three months (and two 'clean-up days') to process probably fewer than 6,000 and certainly fewer than 10,000 accounts, we keep wondering what's going on. But when none of these supposedly processed accounts is verifiably held by at least ONE of us, we have to keep wondering what's going on. And when, after two years without verifiable payouts, there is still no difference to us between your 'sightings' and glimpses of UFOs, we have to say, "This is it".

Then when we put all this together, our wonderings turn into disgust. Just how gullible do you guys think we are? And just how gullible ARE YOU?

The variously computed amounts of our expected payouts are as improbable as they are astronomical. You wouldn't arrive at these figures even if you added Cinderella to Alice in Wonderland. Well, of course, Alice and Cinderella are useful characters: they entertain us and lift up our spirits. But in the real world, they don't exist.
Perhaps you should have a chat with Nick Leeson, who now lives in County Galway, Ireland, and is quite approachable. His fraudulent trades caused Barings to lose 1.4 billion dollars in 1992 – and that was enough to sink the bank. Poof! No more Barings. Oh, and yes, Leeson was a kind of 'New Ager', too: he had used Chinese numerology to push his luck.
Or maybe you should talk to Jerome Kerviel, an English-speaking Frenchman whose shady dealings caused Societe Generale to lose 7.2 billion dollars as recently as January of this year – and that was almost enough to sink the world's largest bank for derivatives trading.
Or should we remind you that Northern Rock had to be nationalized by the British Government in February of this year after panicky depositors collectively withdrew what amounted to a little less than 2 billion dollars, on September 14, 2007?
Should we also remind you of what Morgan Stanley announced last December – that it would (only) need a 5-billion-dollar capital infusion from the China Investment Corporation to dig itself out of its near-bankruptcy hole after extensive losses ascribed to the American sub-prime crisis?
So there we are: it takes less than a 10-billion-dollar loss or emergency capital infusion somewhere on this planet to send tremors through our world's entire financial system, but several lucky-savvy-persistent former SI investors are going to secretly receive over one billion each from whoever bought out Sam & company! On what planet do you people reside? On what planet are you trying to make us live?
You have been dreaming. JUST ADMIT IT! Including us, often forcibly, in your visions of Oz may or may not have been well-intentioned to begin with. But whatever your initial intentions actually were, it's time to wake up, NOW. It's been wake-up time since a year ago.
Losing a hard-fought battle is not much fun. We all know that. But those who have this supreme courage, the ability to lose gracefully, those who can humbly say their mea culpa when they publicly admit that they were wrong, can still stand tall. We urge you to do just that. If you don't, what you will get for all your past efforts is more than your share of pity and scorn.
This is the endgame. Solid Investment is dead and there are no SI zombies come back from the dead. The time has come to put this protracted saga to rest, after a brief period of mourning. Let everyone grieve. And then, let everyone move on.
We urge you to PLEASE not prolong the agony

Congrats the best and nearest the truth i have read in all fora of SI behalf,
would you permit to post this in the others? please.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The forums receive information in accordance to our demonstrated collective character…we receive what we deserve. We are fortunate to receive the vanilla versions that we do...they won't be required for
much longer. Burrr

What da fukk? Burrr, you sound like Maya Angelou. Next you'll be telling us to GIVE to SI and then the universe will give back to us. We're not looking for spiritual growth azzhole. We're looking for our money!

Get off your high philosophical horse and come down to earth where the rest of us live. If you don't have any concrete provable information then shut your fukking mouth. You have proved yourself again and again to be a SIHeeple who speaks with forked tongue. You think you're a leader of SI members. We look at you as just another brainwashed so-called SI vipper. We do not believe you or trust you anymore. Same goes for SIVIP, topcat, summer, budi, pingoman, etc.

This has been delayed more than any conscious person could accept.... without some true intelligent info. Want to rehabilitate your reputation? Give us some believeable reasons why promised SI payments have been delayed so often for so long.

Otherwise, spare us the contents of your thesaurus.