"In-the-knows" have painted themselves into a corner

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What a crock! Burroak is full of ****! I would have taken a certain amount of pleasure in publicly demolishing him a long time ago if the forum "non"-leaders would have permitted. He reminds me of Aesop's old fable of the toad and the ox in which he could so easily be -- you have guessed!-- the toad. The total absence of real quality that characterizes his highfalutin English can probably be best encapsulated by the following few words: disdainful and counterproductive sarcasm wrapped in sanctimonious pomposity. He almost certainly doesn't think he needs to take or retake and advanced writing course, yet he most definitely, and rather pathetically, does. For his English lacks the two qualities that are the hallmark of good writing: precision and clarity. So much for his syntax and vocabulary... And when it comes to organization, it's even worse. His arguments tend to be unsubstantiated, disjointed and circuitous, as they are invariably sucked into the emotional vortex of his egomania. It's as if everything must come from him and lead back to him. Of course, I probably don't possess enough authority to criticize him. I just teach advanced English writing, so what should I know?

At any rate, I hope that the above literary comments make you who have suffered Burroak's adolescent and fumbling rantings, along with the many non-native-English-speaker/writer friends, feel a little better.

Regards,

Finally there's someone with some intelligence posting here. I couldn't agree more with you!

I've been privileged to be included in a elite group of forum members who truly understand this whole SI disaster. One of our group sent this spectacular letter to the PHP forum leaders. It is planned to be dispersed through e-mails to as many of the two forum's members as possible after it is realized that they have played as the biggest fools imaginable to all humankind.

I disagree that this great work be restricted to the viewing of a certain select group. This masterpiece deserves to receive the bright lights and applause it warrants.

You're really going to like this:

Open letter to Budigower and Pingman

The person who wrote this letter did not sign it for two reasons. First, he or she does not wish to be subsequently involved in needless, embittering controversy. And second, he or she has ample reason to believe that most of the views expressed below are shared by a very significant number of present or past SI forum members, even though these views would almost certainly be refused entry to the forums. There is no question that I (this person) am very far from being alone in thinking the way I do; which is why I took the liberty of using the subject pronoun 'we' instead of 'I' after this first paragraph.
WE are seriously questioning your integrity. And if integrity didn't come into play, we would have to question your sanity.
We are not questioning your integrity as it may be perceived by members of your closed inner circle. We are questioning it as it is or will soon be perceived by numerous people outside that circle.
Over the past couple of years, you have consistently given short shrift to the 'what if?' questions that potentially challenged your loudly proclaimed and jealously guarded beliefs. "What if this isn't really true"? "What if some, most, or all of our 'information providers' are part of an elaborate and sadistic plot"? "What if this has been an extended scam all along?" "WHAT IF WE HAVE BEEN WRONG?" Call your attention deficit intolerance, or call it complacency, smugness, stubbornness, short-sightedness, blindness – whatever it is, is both unprofessional and irresponsible.
It is unprofessional because you should always have been aware of the high probability of an ultimate payment failure, the distinct probability of a scam, and should have given these probabilities the room they deserve. It is irresponsible (if not unethical) because little or no thought was given to the consequences of your intellectual insularity on people who never had a real chance to consider opposing views. In more concrete terms: if some forum members prematurely quit a job they didn't like after you convinced them they would soon be millionaires, you are responsible; if other people continued, or started, to spend money they don't have after you convinced them they would soon have the means to pay off all their debts, you are responsible; if a lot of folks have to deal with dangerously high levels of anger, or depression, or both when their expected payouts vanish from you radar screens, you will be responsible.
You should, at the very least, have reserved a small corner of your forum for articulate skeptics. A forum is, by definition, a democratic instrument or venue. What would a democracy become without at least one opposition party? What would a democracy become if its government officials systematically snuffed out dissenting voices? It would become a totalitarian regime like the one you have been maintaining. And that kind of regime is something we abhor.
Not everybody sees the world through the prism of your seemingly unflinching, all-encompassing optimism; which is their right. Not everybody believes that a handful of 'New Agers' blessed with divine intentions and empowered by fabulous, if belated, SI payouts will be able to cure the ills of this world; and that, too, is their right – all the more so as you (not they, not we) have always been 'on the wild side' of things.
When, after two years without ANY VERIFIABLE PAYOUT, a greenhorn like Simonsage is still being advertised as one of your best information sources, we begin to wonder what's going on. When, after two years without any verifiable payout, a bitter, self-centered, adolescent-minded person like Burroak is still involved in the management of one-and-a-half or more SI forums, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after two years without verifiable payouts, a despicable individual like SIVIP, another of your vaunted information sources, is still allowed to verbally defecate on us, poor ignorant forum serfs, in exchange for his, oh so precious, stinking bits of information, we keep wondering what's going on. When your anticipated payout completion date has been pushed back another month for the past 13 months around the middle of practically each month, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after months and months of assumed preparation, experimentation and false starts, it has taken four or five major banks an additional three months (and two 'clean-up days') to process probably fewer than 6,000 and certainly fewer than 10,000 accounts, we keep wondering what's going on. But when none of these supposedly processed accounts is verifiably held by at least ONE of us, we have to keep wondering what's going on. And when, after two years without verifiable payouts, there is still no difference to us between your 'sightings' and glimpses of UFOs, we have to say, "This is it".

Then when we put all this together, our wonderings turn into disgust. Just how gullible do you guys think we are? And just how gullible ARE YOU?

The variously computed amounts of our expected payouts are as improbable as they are astronomical. You wouldn't arrive at these figures even if you added Cinderella to Alice in Wonderland. Well, of course, Alice and Cinderella are useful characters: they entertain us and lift up our spirits. But in the real world, they don't exist.
Perhaps you should have a chat with Nick Leeson, who now lives in County Galway, Ireland, and is quite approachable. His fraudulent trades caused Barings to lose 1.4 billion dollars in 1992 – and that was enough to sink the bank. Poof! No more Barings. Oh, and yes, Leeson was a kind of 'New Ager', too: he had used Chinese numerology to push his luck.
Or maybe you should talk to Jerome Kerviel, an English-speaking Frenchman whose shady dealings caused Societe Generale to lose 7.2 billion dollars as recently as January of this year – and that was almost enough to sink the world's largest bank for derivatives trading.
Or should we remind you that Northern Rock had to be nationalized by the British Government in February of this year after panicky depositors collectively withdrew what amounted to a little less than 2 billion dollars, on September 14, 2007?
Should we also remind you of what Morgan Stanley announced last December – that it would (only) need a 5-billion-dollar capital infusion from the China Investment Corporation to dig itself out of its near-bankruptcy hole after extensive losses ascribed to the American sub-prime crisis?
So there we are: it takes less than a 10-billion-dollar loss or emergency capital infusion somewhere on this planet to send tremors through our world's entire financial system, but several lucky-savvy-persistent former SI investors are going to secretly receive over one billion each from whoever bought out Sam & company! On what planet do you people reside? On what planet are you trying to make us live?
You have been dreaming. JUST ADMIT IT! Including us, often forcibly, in your visions of Oz may or may not have been well-intentioned to begin with. But whatever your initial intentions actually were, it's time to wake up, NOW. It's been wake-up time since a year ago.
Losing a hard-fought battle is not much fun. We all know that. But those who have this supreme courage, the ability to lose gracefully, those who can humbly say their mea culpa when they publicly admit that they were wrong, can still stand tall. We urge you to do just that. If you don't, what you will get for all your past efforts is more than your share of pity and scorn.
This is the endgame. Solid Investment is dead and there are no SI zombies come back from the dead. The time has come to put this protracted saga to rest, after a brief period of mourning. Let everyone grieve. And then, let everyone move on.
We urge you to PLEASE not prolong the agony

Absolutely OUTSTANDING!

Regards,

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What a crock! Burroak is full of ****! I would have taken a certain amount of pleasure in publicly demolishing him a long time ago if the forum "non"-leaders would have permitted. He reminds me of Aesop's old fable of the toad and the ox in which he could so easily be -- you have guessed!-- the toad. The total absence of real quality that characterizes his highfalutin English can probably be best encapsulated by the following few words: disdainful and counterproductive sarcasm wrapped in sanctimonious pomposity. He almost certainly doesn't think he needs to take or retake and advanced writing course, yet he most definitely, and rather pathetically, does. For his English lacks the two qualities that are the hallmark of good writing: precision and clarity. So much for his syntax and vocabulary... And when it comes to organization, it's even worse. His arguments tend to be unsubstantiated, disjointed and circuitous, as they are invariably sucked into the emotional vortex of his egomania. It's as if everything must come from him and lead back to him. Of course, I probably don't possess enough authority to criticize him. I just teach advanced English writing, so what should I know?

At any rate, I hope that the above literary comments make you who have suffered Burroak's adolescent and fumbling rantings, along with the many non-native-English-speaker/writer friends, feel a little better.

Regards,

True, drives me nuts too. But you don't have to post like him too. His prolix posts seem to be contagious. LOL Suffice it to say he's a pompous windbag who couldn't express a simple thought in a concise way if his life depended on it. "Baroque" certainly is appropriate. As is "broke." How's that for clarity Teach?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Finally there's someone with some intelligence posting here. I couldn't agree more with you!

I've been privileged to be included in a elite group of forum members who truly understand this whole SI disaster. One of our group sent this spectacular letter to the PHP forum leaders. It is planned to be dispersed through e-mails to as many of the two forum's members as possible after it is realized that they have played as the biggest fools imaginable to all humankind.

I disagree that this great work be restricted to the viewing of a certain select group. This masterpiece deserves to receive the bright lights and applause it warrants.

You're really going to like this:

Open letter to Budigower and Pingman

The person who wrote this letter did not sign it for two reasons. First, he or she does not wish to be subsequently involved in needless, embittering controversy. And second, he or she has ample reason to believe that most of the views expressed below are shared by a very significant number of present or past SI forum members, even though these views would almost certainly be refused entry to the forums. There is no question that I (this person) am very far from being alone in thinking the way I do; which is why I took the liberty of using the subject pronoun 'we' instead of 'I' after this first paragraph.
WE are seriously questioning your integrity. And if integrity didn't come into play, we would have to question your sanity.
We are not questioning your integrity as it may be perceived by members of your closed inner circle. We are questioning it as it is or will soon be perceived by numerous people outside that circle.
Over the past couple of years, you have consistently given short shrift to the 'what if?' questions that potentially challenged your loudly proclaimed and jealously guarded beliefs. "What if this isn't really true"? "What if some, most, or all of our 'information providers' are part of an elaborate and sadistic plot"? "What if this has been an extended scam all along?" "WHAT IF WE HAVE BEEN WRONG?" Call your attention deficit intolerance, or call it complacency, smugness, stubbornness, short-sightedness, blindness – whatever it is, is both unprofessional and irresponsible.
It is unprofessional because you should always have been aware of the high probability of an ultimate payment failure, the distinct probability of a scam, and should have given these probabilities the room they deserve. It is irresponsible (if not unethical) because little or no thought was given to the consequences of your intellectual insularity on people who never had a real chance to consider opposing views. In more concrete terms: if some forum members prematurely quit a job they didn't like after you convinced them they would soon be millionaires, you are responsible; if other people continued, or started, to spend money they don't have after you convinced them they would soon have the means to pay off all their debts, you are responsible; if a lot of folks have to deal with dangerously high levels of anger, or depression, or both when their expected payouts vanish from you radar screens, you will be responsible.
You should, at the very least, have reserved a small corner of your forum for articulate skeptics. A forum is, by definition, a democratic instrument or venue. What would a democracy become without at least one opposition party? What would a democracy become if its government officials systematically snuffed out dissenting voices? It would become a totalitarian regime like the one you have been maintaining. And that kind of regime is something we abhor.
Not everybody sees the world through the prism of your seemingly unflinching, all-encompassing optimism; which is their right. Not everybody believes that a handful of 'New Agers' blessed with divine intentions and empowered by fabulous, if belated, SI payouts will be able to cure the ills of this world; and that, too, is their right – all the more so as you (not they, not we) have always been 'on the wild side' of things.
When, after two years without ANY VERIFIABLE PAYOUT, a greenhorn like Simonsage is still being advertised as one of your best information sources, we begin to wonder what's going on. When, after two years without any verifiable payout, a bitter, self-centered, adolescent-minded person like Burroak is still involved in the management of one-and-a-half or more SI forums, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after two years without verifiable payouts, a despicable individual like SIVIP, another of your vaunted information sources, is still allowed to verbally defecate on us, poor ignorant forum serfs, in exchange for his, oh so precious, stinking bits of information, we keep wondering what's going on. When your anticipated payout completion date has been pushed back another month for the past 13 months around the middle of practically each month, we keep wondering what's going on. When, after months and months of assumed preparation, experimentation and false starts, it has taken four or five major banks an additional three months (and two 'clean-up days') to process probably fewer than 6,000 and certainly fewer than 10,000 accounts, we keep wondering what's going on. But when none of these supposedly processed accounts is verifiably held by at least ONE of us, we have to keep wondering what's going on. And when, after two years without verifiable payouts, there is still no difference to us between your 'sightings' and glimpses of UFOs, we have to say, "This is it".

Then when we put all this together, our wonderings turn into disgust. Just how gullible do you guys think we are? And just how gullible ARE YOU?

The variously computed amounts of our expected payouts are as improbable as they are astronomical. You wouldn't arrive at these figures even if you added Cinderella to Alice in Wonderland. Well, of course, Alice and Cinderella are useful characters: they entertain us and lift up our spirits. But in the real world, they don't exist.
Perhaps you should have a chat with Nick Leeson, who now lives in County Galway, Ireland, and is quite approachable. His fraudulent trades caused Barings to lose 1.4 billion dollars in 1992 – and that was enough to sink the bank. Poof! No more Barings. Oh, and yes, Leeson was a kind of 'New Ager', too: he had used Chinese numerology to push his luck.
Or maybe you should talk to Jerome Kerviel, an English-speaking Frenchman whose shady dealings caused Societe Generale to lose 7.2 billion dollars as recently as January of this year – and that was almost enough to sink the world's largest bank for derivatives trading.
Or should we remind you that Northern Rock had to be nationalized by the British Government in February of this year after panicky depositors collectively withdrew what amounted to a little less than 2 billion dollars, on September 14, 2007?
Should we also remind you of what Morgan Stanley announced last December – that it would (only) need a 5-billion-dollar capital infusion from the China Investment Corporation to dig itself out of its near-bankruptcy hole after extensive losses ascribed to the American sub-prime crisis?
So there we are: it takes less than a 10-billion-dollar loss or emergency capital infusion somewhere on this planet to send tremors through our world's entire financial system, but several lucky-savvy-persistent former SI investors are going to secretly receive over one billion each from whoever bought out Sam & company! On what planet do you people reside? On what planet are you trying to make us live?
You have been dreaming. JUST ADMIT IT! Including us, often forcibly, in your visions of Oz may or may not have been well-intentioned to begin with. But whatever your initial intentions actually were, it's time to wake up, NOW. It's been wake-up time since a year ago.
Losing a hard-fought battle is not much fun. We all know that. But those who have this supreme courage, the ability to lose gracefully, those who can humbly say their mea culpa when they publicly admit that they were wrong, can still stand tall. We urge you to do just that. If you don't, what you will get for all your past efforts is more than your share of pity and scorn.
This is the endgame. Solid Investment is dead and there are no SI zombies come back from the dead. The time has come to put this protracted saga to rest, after a brief period of mourning. Let everyone grieve. And then, let everyone move on.
We urge you to PLEASE not prolong the agony

Absolutely OUTSTANDING!

Regards,

Marvelous, so true.

OK now post it over there. I dare you! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by Unregistered

OK now post it over there. I dare you! HAHAHAHAHAHA

It's probably because they would be deleted very quickly by pigman and those cowardly mods! Hell, why not post all those Lagnes emails here and let us get a look at them?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's probably because they would be deleted very quickly by pigman and those cowardly mods! Hell, why not post all those Lagnes emails here and let us get a look at them?

No please. Bad enough that people subjected us to BrokeassOak's verbal vomit. We don't need Lagnes delusional paranoid ramblings repeated here too.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I got paid today. 4 days after I sent my info but, I'm not complaining. More of you should post when paid. This group needs help. Pingman and topcat's groups are not to be trusted. It's coming. All payouts on schedule to be completed by end of August. Hang in there. Good by.

Outstanding! I know someone too, but I nor he wanted to post
anything in this den of swill and backwash. I'm still waiting for
my 1.5M payout....and I know it's coming. Do I care that I have
to wait 2+ years....absolutely not. Gees, what the F U C K is wrong
with all these yahoos in this forum??? If someone is a glass-is-half
full kind of person, why do all these people in here have to piss on
their cheerios? I mean, really....what does it hurt to wait??

Really now.....get a life.

Anton, now you promised not to forward those emails and especially that Open Letter of Pessimism by Professor Patrick Blanche of Kumamoto Gakuen University in Japan. I thought you wished to leave him in peace as he was approaching retirement instead of posting his half baked opinions all over this forum before we actually know the truth of the payout or not....

OOPS!!! Maybe you should have held all those emails a little closer to you....think?

Of course, he posts under his own name over in the Swiss Cash section of this forum anyway, so what does it matter, maybe he should sign his work here.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Outstanding! I know someone too, but I nor he wanted to post
anything in this den of swill and backwash. I'm still waiting for
my 1.5M payout....and I know it's coming. Do I care that I have
to wait 2+ years....absolutely not. Gees, what the F U C K is wrong
with all these yahoos in this forum??? If someone is a glass-is-half
full kind of person, why do all these people in here have to piss on
their cheerios? I mean, really....what does it hurt to wait??

Really now.....get a life.

You idiots crack me up with the fake payment posts. LOL You've been hanging with the other least common denominators for so long you think that everyone is as stupid as you are.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Outstanding! I know someone too, but I nor he wanted to post
anything in this den of swill and backwash. I'm still waiting for
my 1.5M payout....and I know it's coming. Do I care that I have
to wait 2+ years....absolutely not. Gees, what the F U C K is wrong
with all these yahoos in this forum??? If someone is a glass-is-half
full kind of person, why do all these people in here have to piss on
their cheerios? I mean, really....what does it hurt to wait??

Really now.....get a life.

Exactly! Why should anyone care if we are ok waiting 2 1/2 yrs, or 5 yrs, or 25 yrs, or if it never happens? It's our time, right?