Prosperita Group - PGI International Ponzi Scheme

This thread is a discussion of the Ponzi scheme called "Prosperita Group" or AKA "PGI International", who has conned 100's of people out of their money.

THE PERSON RUNNING THE PONZI SCHEME CALLED PROSPERITA GROUP OR AKA PGI INTERNATIONAL IS:

Belinda Eigenmann
Bruggmattweg 44
Laufen
4242 Switzerland
Tel. (country code 41) 61 761 5260
Cell (country code 41) 796 511 165
belindae(at)swissonline(dot)ch

www(dot)mamut(dot)net/pgi/default(dot)htm
www(dot)mamut(dot)net/pgi/subdet1(dot)htm

IF PROSPERITA OWES YOU MONEY, YOU SHOULD CALL AND WRITE THIS PERSON DIRECTLY, OR REPORT IT TO YOUR LOCAL AUTHORITIES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS SCAM, PLEASE POST IT HERE.

ALSO IF YOU FIND OUT WHAT THEIR CONNECTION TO GPP IS, PLEASE POST IT HERE.

06/18/2009 - IMPORTANT INFORMATION - PLEASE READ!:

Dear Prosperita Group Inc. Members,

Approximately two (2) weeks ago we sat down across the table with one of our banks and handed them our paperwork (your transfer request forms) for the initial test run of €1,000 EUR. During our meeting with this bank we also held a telephone meeting with our other bank whom was going to take care of the so long-awaited draft.

All time lines were set out and all preparations were made accordingly. Everything was indeed going as per plan!

Our Senior Management then flew halfway across the globe to finalise everything.

So far, so good. What happened hereafter is absolutely mind blowing and shocking. Someone whom could not keep their mouth shut has managed to temporarily ruin everything for everyone! Posts started to be made on various forums, which one of our banks found out about. As a result of this the bank has chosen to freeze our accounts and everything has come to a complete standstill.

Some of these posts are now removed, some are still there.

With our Senior Management still halfway across the globe from their home, with one of the banks involved now refusing to work with us because of one of the member's utterly thoughtless, selfish actions, everything has temporarily come to a total stop.

Our plan was to have had the original transfer in your bank accounts by now and to be commencing the transfer of the second transfer by Monday.

The individuals(s) that have made posts to the forum(s) concerned can for sure await legal action to be initiated against them.

For those of you that have requested Accounts, Foundations and IBC's with Hatfield Oak International, S.A., unfortunately the situation is the very same for you, as the payment for your orders was included in the same batch. Please be advised that your orders will be held by Hatfield Oak International, S.A. until full payment has been made.

For those of you whom accidently made a mistake on your upcoming second Wire Transfer Request, not to worry, we will announce a solution for this.

As we work on solving this issue, we have been forced to withdraw our Customer Care team and lock our secure message system. Please be advised that during this time, no normal e-mails will be dealt with. In addition to this, no new Wire Transfer Requests will be accepted, nor will any internal transfers or purchases for products or services with Hatfield Oak International, S.A. be allowed.

Please be aware that we are going to do ALL in our power to resolve this most unfortunate matter, which is undoubtedly going to take some time. Until our Senior Management has returned, we unfortunately cannot proceed with anything, with our normal day-to-day functions having consequently come to a halt. In other words, we have come to a temporary standstill with respect to our operations.

We will do our very best to update you every other week on Fridays, unless we have news sooner, until we have resolved this situation.

Our aim has always been and continues to be to SUCCEED, despite the result we have ended up with due to the irresponsible postings of some member(s). Please be aware that we have absolutely no perspective of how much time it is going to take for this matter to be resolved as a result of the current situation.

Please be advised that all previous eNews items have been removed as to help prevent them from being posted to the various online forums.

In the meanwhile we remind you about the Non Disclosure Agreement entered into. This agreement INCLUDES not uttering the program name or relevant information in any situation. We also ask you to remain as calm as possible in order to let our Senior Management work out an alternative solution.


Kind Regards,
Prosperita Group Inc.

Originally Posted by Unregistered 06/18/2009 - IMPORTANT INFORMATION - PLEASE READ!: Dear Prosperita Group Inc. Members, Approximately two (2) weeks ago we sat down across the table with one of our banks and handed them our paperwork (your transfer request forms) for the initial test run of €1,000 EUR. During our meeting with this bank we also held a telephone meeting with our other bank whom was going to take care of the so long-awaited draft. All time lines were set out and all preparations were made accordingly. Everything was indeed going as per plan! Our Senior Management then flew halfway across the globe to finalise everything. So far, so good. What happened hereafter is absolutely mind blowing and shocking. Someone whom could not keep their mouth shut has managed to temporarily ruin everything for everyone! IF THIS IS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM, WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT? Posts started to be made on various forums, which one of our banks found out about. As a result of this the bank has chosen to freeze our accounts and everything has come to a complete standstill. TOTAL RUBBISH. NO BANK FREEZES ACCOUNTS BECAUSE OF A POST ON ANY FORUM ESPECIALLY THIS ONE. IF THIS HAS EVEN ONE SPECK OF TRUTH, THE ACCOUNTS WERE FROZEN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG, NOT SOME KNUCKLEHEAD POSTING A CLAIM OF SCAM. THIS IS A DELAY TACTIC NOTHING MORE Some of these posts are now removed, some are still there. With our Senior Management still halfway across the globe from their home, with one of the banks involved now refusing to work with us because of one of the member's utterly thoughtless, selfish actions, everything has temporarily come to a total stop. BULL$HIT YOUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT AND ENTIRE STAFF IS ONE PERSON WHO TRAVELLED ACROSS TOWN TO HAVE A PARTY WITH FRIENDS Our plan was to have had the original transfer in your bank accounts by now and to be commencing the transfer of the second transfer by Monday. TYPICAL SCAM CRAP TO BLAME THE MEMBERS FOR THE PROGRAMS INABILITY TO LIVE UP TO ITS OBLIGATIONS. NO BANK FROZE ANY ACCOUNTS. THEY JUST DONT HAVE THE MONEY. IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THIS PONZI, ODDS ARE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVING THESE CRAP EXCUSES FOR A LONG LONG TIME. THERE IS NO MONEY. DONT BUY THIS CRAP The individuals(s) that have made posts to the forum(s) concerned can for sure await legal action to be initiated against them. AN ILLEGAL PONZI SCHEME IS GOING TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST A MEMBER FOR POSTING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? NOT A CHANCE. IT WILL EXPOSE THE ENTIRE SCHEME TO PROSECUTION. For those of you that have requested Accounts, Foundations and IBC's with Hatfield Oak International, S.A., unfortunately the situation is the very same for you, as the payment for your orders was included in the same batch. Please be advised that your orders will be held by Hatfield Oak International, S.A. until full payment has been made. HATFIELD IS INVOLVED IN THIS PONZI? OHH BOY For those of you whom accidently made a mistake on your upcoming second Wire Transfer Request, not to worry, we will announce a solution for this. As we work on solving this issue, we have been forced to withdraw our Customer Care team and lock our secure message system. Please be advised that during this time, no normal e-mails will be dealt with. In addition to this, no new Wire Transfer Requests will be accepted, nor will any internal transfers or purchases for products or services with Hatfield Oak International, S.A. be allowed. SOUNDS LIKE THE ENTIRE OPERATION HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN. bY A POST ON A FORUM? REALLY, HOW LIKELY IS THAT? (UNLESS IT IS A VERIFYABLE SCAM THAT NO FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH) Please be aware that we are going to do ALL in our power to resolve this most unfortunate matter, which is undoubtedly going to take some time. OF COURSE IT WILL TAKE TIME. PROBABLY FOREVER. THIS IS SETTING UP THE MEMBERS FOR THE FINAL BLOW -ALL IS LOST. AND THEY WILL BLAME IT ON THE MEMBERS!!!! Until our Senior Management has returned, we unfortunately cannot proceed with anything, with our normal day-to-day functions having consequently come to a halt. In other words, we have come to a temporary standstill with respect to our operations. We will do our very best to update you every other week on Fridays, unless we have news sooner, until we have resolved this situation. Our aim has always been and continues to be to SUCCEED, despite the result we have ended up with due to the irresponsible postings of some member(s). Please be aware that we have absolutely no perspective of how much time it is going to take for this matter to be resolved as a result of the current situation. LOOKS LIKE YOUVE SUCCEEDED. CONGRATULATIONS! Please be advised that all previous eNews items have been removed as to help prevent them from being posted to the various online forums. SOUNDS LIKE THE ENTIRE OPERATION HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN. BY A POST ON A FORUM? REALLY, HOW LIKELY IS THAT? (UNLESS IT IS A VERIFYABLE SCAM THAT NO FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH) In the meanwhile we remind you about the Non Disclosure Agreement entered into. This agreement INCLUDES not uttering the program name or relevant information in any situation. We also ask you to remain as calm as possible in order to let our Senior Management work out an alternative solution. YES DONT SPEAK OR UTTER THE PROGRAM NAME BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND QUESTION WHAT WE ARE DOING, THEN YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET EXPOSED. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT NOW WE NOW HAVE A REALLY IDIOTIC EXCUSE FOR CLOSING THE PROGRAM AND WALKING AWAY WITH THE MONEY.

This is a textbook scam for sure!

I would like to know who I give all the information to? The FBI? What legal area would handle this. They deleted all updates accept for the present one and and denied acess to our email. This is my first time involved in anything like this and I didn't put out alot of money out, but now I want something done to handle this woman or whomever is involved in this thing. I had printed everything, from the beginning. I have it all. Now I just want my money and be done. Latest update is because of the postings on the web, the bank FROZE their money. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The bank would need proof of wrongdoing, etc. A bank can't just freeze your assets because of a web posting...

Originally Posted by Unregistered I would like to know who I give all the information to? The FBI? What legal area would handle this. They deleted all updates accept for the present one and and denied acess to our email. This is my first time involved in anything like this and I didn't put out alot of money out, but now I want something done to handle this woman or whomever is involved in this thing. I had printed everything, from the beginning. I have it all. Now I just want my money and be done. Latest update is because of the postings on the web, the bank FROZE their money. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The bank would need proof of wrongdoing, etc. A bank can't just freeze your assets because of a web posting...

If the funds were FROZEN then that should be a signal in the first place. Banks don't freeze assets for no reason and especially for a posting on THIS or another forum :-) - It is complete fiction, for sure.

Remember that it will NEVER be the fault of the program or any individual behind it. It will always be the fault of the bank, the government, or a hacker, or some other "bad" person.

There probably aren't any funds to freeze. They are probably awaiting payout from one of these scams like GPP (GPP will NEVER pay, so don't hold your breath).

Make copies (do not send your originals) and send everything you have and know to your local FBI office, and to your local chief politician (governor's office or senator), and to your local state prosecutor's office. Make it certified mail. One of them will see an opportunity to become a hero.

PIGGYBACKING

Piggybacking is a way to get many people to invest THEIR money into a program on your behalf. YOU get the payoff and pay them a fraction of your winnings, while generating IMMEDIATE cash to play with while you wait for payout from your favorite scam.

The problem is that you have to BELIEVE and be SURE that the program will pay off. In GPP's case this doesn't surprise me that there are so many ponzis "piggybacking" on GPP because so many idiots BELIEVE that GPP will pay off somehow. It won't, but that's beside the point.

GPP is a good example because the advertised payout is so ridiculously astronomical, that if it actually DID pay, you would have so much money that it would not matter how much you promised the people who gave you money - you could pay them off. Again, this won't ever happen, but this is how the piggyback programs think (dreamworld).


HOW IT WORKS

Just start a HYIP program promising something astronomical but actually somewhat believable, like 500% return. Be vague about WHEN it will pay. Some of the ponzi admins are stupid enough to promise a payout in a timeframe soon after GPP's latest deadline is set.

So, you get people putting in $50, $100, $200, $500, even a few $1000. Soon you have a pile of money in the 6 digit range.

Then you start buying GPP policies. Lots of them (in YOUR name of course). Leave $15K-$20K in the pool just in case one or more of your investors goes postal on you and demands their money back. You give it to them, so they can't claim that your program is a scam.

Now all you have to do is keep them "patient" until you get your GPP debit card (yeah, right).


A BRILLIANT EINSTEIN STRATEGY

With 1000's of GPP policies in your name, your imaginary payoff from GPP would be in the $100's of millions, from which you can easily pay all of your "investors" their 500% returns, while YOU walk away with your imaginary $100 mil.

Of course, all of it is a fantasy, since NO RPP or other such HYIP ever pays anything to anyone. But some people really believe it.


THE BIG FLAW

Sounds easy, but what none of these idiots think of is that FOREVER is a very very long time to keep your "investors" "patient" :-). It all comes back to you eventually.

The sad part is that it increases the number of people who get SCREWED by orders of magnitude.

You think this is nonsense? You'd be surprised how many people are doing it. They really (want to) believe these fantasies. Besides the ponzi you were talking about there's gotta be at least 10 more ponzi's depending on a GPP payout (or imperia or any of the other popular scams).


GOOD INTENTIONS

Most ponzis actually DO intend to pay their investors fully, and this belief and honorable intent allows them to be very convincing to the people they are selling their program to, but they are so stupid and irresponsible to believe they will EVER get a penny from a scam like GPP, so the people who put their money in get screwed anyway, even if it wasn't intended.

Originally Posted by Unregistered OMG... I can't believe what some people say without positive proof. Postings like the above will cause more trouble and those who have invested larger sums of money are now visualizing that they will not see any returns at all. Sad, so sad.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

If someone posted "Microsoft is a Ponzi Scheme and Bill Gates is a scammer", would you take it seriously? Probably not. The post would probably never get further than someone responding with how stupid the person who posted it is.

If this "prosperita" were a real company and a real investment, nobody would bother posting anything about it here, and if someone claimed "scam" even if it were a real company that deals openly and honestly with its members, anybody reading it would only roll their eyes and pass it off as vindictive rubbish.

If this were a real investment or at least had a history of professional conduct, the claims of "scam" would have died a long time ago. Nobody would believe them. The claim would have no life at all. Nobody would listen.

But that does not appear to be the case with this "Prosperita Group". Numerous investors are replying with histories of being told outrageous lies and the usual scam run-around. There is no useful information on the website, and their address in London is a fake. Their phone number doesn't even work and they use free / anonymous email addresses. Does that sound legitimate to you?

This demonstrates the level of intelligence and professionalism of the admins of this and other scams like GPP. They obviously believe they are of superior intelligence, thinking that their plan is so brilliant that no one will ever figure it out. They can give the most ridiculous excuses, and they expect people to believe them.

What they fail to realize is that they are not the first, nor the last, and this has been done many times before, and it is not so brilliant. People know the signs, and apparently all the signs are there. Hence, why it becomes posted here, and rightfully so.

MORAL: If you don't want to be accused of being a tramp, don't hang around in the slums.

I want my money back from these clowns!!! What a bunch of garbage has been dumped on us! I am soooo angry!!!!!!!!!

Anyone been able to reach this Eigenmann woman yet? I tried a few times - no answer. I sent mails to hers and the support address - nothing...

they are HIDING now!!! But this victim bites back!!

Originally Posted by Unregistered I would like to know who I give all the information to? The FBI? What legal area would handle this. They deleted all updates accept for the present one and and denied acess to our email. This is my first time involved in anything like this and I didn't put out alot of money out, but now I want something done to handle this woman or whomever is involved in this thing. I had printed everything, from the beginning. I have it all. Now I just want my money and be done. Latest update is because of the postings on the web, the bank FROZE their money. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The bank would need proof of wrongdoing, etc. A bank can't just freeze your assets because of a web posting...

If they have deleted all updates and are denying access to any internal communications, this sounds very serious. They obviously have a lot to hide.

If you have any records of previous announcements or any other information, it would be advisable to post them here. Don't worry, it seems Prosperita is in big trouble, and has much more to worry about right now than trying to find you! Besides, this is an anoymous forum and I suspect they have no resources available to them to cause you any grief, or harass you in any way, let alone find you!

Your money is likely aready gone, and providing evidence against them may not get your money back, but it may help put the perpetrators in jail.

Originally Posted by Unregistered If they have deleted all updates and are denying access to any internal communications, this sounds very serious. They obviously have a lot to hide. If you have any records of previous announcements or any other information, it would be advisable to post them here. Don't worry, it seems Prosperita is in big trouble, and has much more to worry about right now than trying to find you! Besides, this is an anoymous forum and I suspect they have no resources available to them to cause you any grief, or harass you in any way, let alone find you! Your money is likely aready gone, and providing evidence against them may not get your money back, but it may help put the perpetrators in jail.

I also just want my money back! I dont care if I get any profits just if I can please have my original investment back. Now I doubt if I will ever get any of it back.

DAMN!! I wish I had kept copies of all of the updates. Some of them were a something from "the far side" at times and I'll bet they would be useful now!