TIRN ( traders international returns network )

I read the comments that state they met the owners and folks have gotten their money back. How many people personally met Bernie Maddoff over the decades, extremely impressed and got their money back when requested? Everyone. Until it collapsed when it hit the tipping point of too many people wanting their money back at the same time. Can you make 22% returns? Yes. Every single month after month? Red Flag. Do your hoomework. Maddoff was highly trusted by the Jewish community and TIRN is working through the Christian community.

Dear Admin. Thanks for posting #11 for me. Please remove the last two sentence from the word "Companies to the end of the paragraph, including my e-mail." Thanks so much. Jene

First allow me to say this. Unless you are speaking to someone who has been directly involved with TIRN themselves, I would discount the comments given. I have looked myself for bad things about this company as anyone who knows about due dillegence should, and have been unable to find anything wrong with the company or its management team. In fact, I've met most all the management team personnally. They are all very straight forward and honest about the company and its mission.

Let me say first off that they never promissed a 22% return every month. They like any company have made for themselves high goals. Not easily attainable... Otherwise they wouldn't be very good goals now would they? They paid out of their own pocket for 160 of their leadership from all over the world to go to a leadership conference in order that they could showcase the traders and platforms that they are utilizing in order to marry up the buyers money that contribute to the TIRN accounts with the trading platforms which would yeild the highest returns. They based their goals on the historic performance of the traders they chose to work with over a two year period.

TIRN does not invest money, they are kind of like a realtor in that the bring their partners to the table on both sides. They do not directly trade money or investments. I know the negative is out there from folks who take no chances at all or feel that this is a madalf ... (SP) But, I can say that I know folks who have made interest on their money and have pulled that money out. No issues... The management are very sincere folks who strive to satisfy all customer inquerries as quick and correct as possible.

If you have charted the company over the past 14 or so months of business, you would see that for each range of personal investment you had, they had a goal and an average payout for interest. The two were never always the same. Some months they came very close, but most they were off by 2% or so. Of course that still beats the market or banking industry.

I know I have a slanted point of view, but this company limits the amount of money a person can fund into their account. A ponzi strives to take as much as possible and as quickly as possible not allowing you to touch your money for long periods of time. TIRN on the other hand limits the amount you can place in your account. They also allow you to lock or unlock your monthly interest if you wish. This way, you can take out any or all of your interest you've earned on your assets each and every month. They also allow you to lock that interest and if you choose that, they will give you an additional 1%. Your principal investment is locked just like a CD from a bank. But, if for some reason you need to break the contract and ask for your principal back, they will do the same for you that any bank would. That means, they will take back the interest earned to date, and charge you a 10% early withdrawal penalty on your principal. Any bank would do the same thing. Only, banks won't allow you to increase your account value over time in order to get greater interest returns.

They are constantly trying to improve the comany. They started with a 5yr business plan and this spring have surpassed it. Now they have another in place and are constantly reviewing it to keep it on the horizon. I'm not blowing any smoke here folks. I simply put out the information and allow anyone who is interested to join and enjoy the blessing I believe I have been given. I can't be more sincer about this. Every Monday evening I stand in front of a crowd of strangers and try my best to provide the most up to date information I've been given from the company. I've asked the very hard questions and have recieved my answers. Some I was happy with, others not so much. But, I'm very happy in my decision to be considered a leader for this company.

And NO... I hate MLM's! This is not an MLM. You have an opportunity to earn a good living by being a buyers representitive, and this is based on a direct marketing approach. About 80% of folks simply fund their account and make their purchase and allow the account values to accrue the interest. 20% or so, do that and also work the business side to earn the profit sharing incentives. Either way folks in TIRN are very happy folks. I have not personally heard of or spoken to anyone who was in TIRN who had a problem that couldn't be fixed, or who was unhappy in any way with how TIRN had treated them.

I would reccomend to anyone not to rush into making any decision to get involved with TIRN until they have visited a meeting discussing the company and been able to ask some questions for themselves. Be objective but open. I was making 30% a year for myself before choosing to use TIRN, and I'm not pro... But, good returns are very possible especially for a professional. I'm just saying to be open, not ignorant or gullible. Ask your questions and be pacient. They will answer you and you will be able to make an informed decision. That is the best advice I can offer anyone looking into this company. Give it a good hard look, because it deserves is. If you do choose to be a buyer, then great. If not, good for you. Just make the decision your own, not someone elses. Only listen to what I've posted if you believe I've been honest and open. Because, that is all I have intended to do.

I hope this helps.
Garyo

I would be more than happy to discuss further with anyone interested in learning more. Just give me a shout... thetirnclub@gmail.com

John 3:16.....

In the abscence of "material facts" you offered the "conviction" of an ill-informed opinion.

You fail to understand that PONZI's count on "AFFINITY" and the personality of the principles to persuade people to participate. TIRN pays higher returns to those who invest higher sums; its a direct inducement for people to invest more than they otherwise might. Sadly, you probably believe all the nonsense about "Kingdom" investing they have been throwing around as well.

You make several misrepresntations about banks, CD's and early termination penalties. TIRN does not operate "like a realtor" It's a very poice choice for an analogy. Your familiarity with how the scheme works and the past 14 months of returns, along with your desire to be "honest and open" is no substitute for real due diligence; your personal testimony suggest that you don't even know where to begin.

While you may not think it's an MLM, the US Federal Trade Commission says otherwise. As if this even really matters in light of the real issue . . .its a fraud!

Has it occured to you that just because they say they are not subject to US regulation or oversight, they in fact might be? Do you actually know? (Hint . . . they are, and so are you)

Truth is that you have already sent your money to them and you would be horrified to learn that this is a PONZI scheme or worse an illegal money laundering operation where your money has been co-mingled with criminals who may be engaged in drugs or human sex trafficing.

The fact that you appear to be a member of the "Community of Faith" makes it even more disturbing and all the worse if you are in a position of influence.

Absolute Scam.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Ever heard that before?

It's not easy to make reasonable returns consistently over long periods of time (years). I know a few good traders, but have watched many, many, many more self proclaimed "traders" blow out. Either the method doesn't work or they bet too big. All but a very few are back at their old jobs.

If these clowns are telling you 11% or 22% per month, do you really believe it? As a poster said before, if it was true, you could take a small stake and compound it to a tremendous sum rather quickly. And if you have that kind of magic (which doesn't exist):
1) you don't share it. period.
2) you get a stake, and get to work, and get very, very rich. Quickly.
3) you never deal with the public. They are idiots. They whine and complain and sue you. You already know that you are going to get rich (it's guaranteed, right?), so why take on the hassle of investors and regulators. Ouch!

(P.S. Yes, that will be YOU I'm referring to. You'll be trying to sue someone when you wake up. Think MADOFF!!!)

I'm registered with the CFTC and the NFA, and use that as a tool to raise money. REAL investors do some due diligence before they invest, and understand that having a third party regulator auditing the track record is the way to go. Imagine if the TIRN guys had a track record. Then imagine that it was "good", or "unbelievable". If they registered with the NFA, and put out a disclosure document (NFA req.), that would be like having a well respected "good housekeeping seal of approval", if anybody remembers what that is.

Here's an important tool that the NFA provides.

BASIC Search

You can search for individuals and firms. Click on the links to see if they have clean records, and how long they have been registered. Once you realize that if you are a criminal, or is you F*** up, your poop will be recorded by the NFA, what do you think TIRN does?...... Right. Don't register. Better to stay under the radar.

I don't see any records for them on the site. Other posters may have names of principals they can plug in. look for them.

IF they are trading commodity futures in a pool (or fund), they have to be registered as a CPO. If they are plugging away in the futures markets for individuals or other pools, they need to be registered as a CTA (commodity trading advisor). The entity (company) and it's principals must be registered. Posters involved with TIRN, you need to follow up on this. Ask for the futures traders' and principals' names, then look them up!

And for goodness sake, these clowns have just pasted their little enterprise together in the last year or less. You can't build a track record that quickly! Pitiful. Plus it's MLM!!! Holy crap!

For those who called this a scam, you're right. For those that think this is good stuff, you're dead and you just don't know it yet. You're getting "Madoff'ed".

This is your basic internet investment scam. From the looks of it, these guys from Orlando Florida are going to collect funds from a good number of people until the authorities catch up with them. Thats typical, it seems, of how these things go.

A little digging reveals that the address in Panama as listed on thier web-site does not exist, and the nearest address match is for an apartment building in a poplular residential area of Panama.
There is not a single phone number listed any where; With all the money these guys claim to make, they can't even pay for a basic "call center" in India?
None of the companies they use in thier presentation are reachable either. They claimed to have some holding and Forex company; yet there's no phone number anywhere for them

Hi, I'm an investor of that company and it work great for the moment

If you think this is a scam, check it by yourself...

You can become a member for free (NO OBLIGATION)
Next month they give a conference in Athens for 300 of their members.

Go on holliday in Athens and check it out by yourself before you judge someone...

Happy TIRN member

Release: 5733-09
For Release: October 15, 2009


CFTC Charges Florida Resident and His Panamanian Corporation with Fraud and Misappropriation


At least $16.4 million in customer funds solicited by making false statements, with more than $2 million misappropriated for personal use.
Washington, DC - The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) today announced the filing of an enforcement action against Trader’s International Return Network (TIRN), a Panamanian corporation, and its president David Merrick of Apopka, Fla., charging them with solicitation fraud and misappropriation of customer funds involving at least $16.4 million.

CFTC Charges Florida Resident and His Panamanian Corporation with Fraud and Misappropriation

Check out this news: SEC accuses Apopka businessman of fraud - Orlando Business Journal:

Thursday, October 15, 2009, 3:40pm EDT

SEC accuses Apopka businessman of fraud
Orlando Business Journal

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed an emergency civil action against an Apopka investment adviser and five businesses, alleging fraud.

The agency accused David F. Merrick with operating a Ponzi scheme that allegedly raised $22 million from at least 2,500 investors around the country.