Pathway-2-Prosperity - Pathway-2-Poverty - Pathway-2-Ponzi

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hey guys!

First, here's my story:...

I don't want to sound full of myself when I say this, but compared to what I make, $400 is pocket change. I wanted to test the program, knowing I could lose it and be okay. But I'm still pissed about the fact that I may never see my second $200, and that the first, well, IF P2P is around, the way things are going, I'll request a payout at the end of September, and MAYBE I'll get paid in December! I probably won’t see my $400, but people have paid more to learn less. I know with a lot more clarity what a scam looks like, and what legitimate investments and programs look like. The stuff I deal with, Nick has no clue about, yet claims to run in those circles.....

No problem! MRMIKE42's gotcha covered!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yeah, now he's a grown into a professional scammer. And to think just a year ago he was whining about not getting his petty little payments from a HYIP scam that he was in. LOL

BTW, how can you tell that Kent Black is lying?

Anytime Kent Blacks lips are moving he is lying or if his fingers are typing he is lying. His story is well known for scamming people and leading them down the wrong roads. Its unreal how many people listen to this scammer. He is now on the run nowhere to be found. Many members are after him along with the AG in Utah I have heard. He just scammed people by closing down 4 seperate ponzis that were piggybacking on ponzi 2 prosperity.

Did I mention he is a part time minister? LOL

P2P support sucks.No wonder people are swearing at them.They never seem to answer tickets.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Anytime Kent Blacks lips are moving he is lying or if his fingers are typing he is lying. His story is well known for scamming people and leading them down the wrong roads. Its unreal how many people listen to this scammer. He is now on the run nowhere to be found. Many members are after him along with the AG in Utah I have heard. He just scammed people by closing down 4 seperate ponzis that were piggybacking on ponzi 2 prosperity.

Did I mention he is a part time minister? LOL

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER! LOL

[MRMIKE42]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hey guys!

First, here's my story:
A friend told me about P2P and I got in under him after MINIMAL due diligence. We both work with high-yield private placement investments, REAL STUFF (banking instruments, traders, Forex, intraday traders, mortgage-backed securities, mid-term notes, etc.), so the returns offered by P2P, while a little higher than what I'm used to, were believable to me, as well as what Nick claims to be invested in. I had no other experience with or exposure to any HYIP.

On July 22nd, I put $200 in a 60 day plan. Then on August 7th, I transferred another $200 from my Alert Pay account to P2P, and it still has never shown up. I’m in the "missing AP deposit" group.

It's only been since this issue that I really started reading and researching and doing some thinking. For your all's sake, I need to compare P2P with a private investment club I am in. In the club, we work primarily with an intraday trading group headed by one of the best in the business. The thing is, EVERYTHING is disclosed to us members. We know how much we make a day (no fixed returns, we average 1% per trading day right now, and every so often we may lose around .5% in a day). We know who the trader and his team are, the name of their company, and where they're located. Actually, I've met the guys, and they shared how they do what they do with us. I have met many times and talk with on a regular basis the two men who started the club, and others who help out with various issues. We have an IRA custodian that allows members to invest qualified money, and every member gets a 1099 at the end of the year. You see, I KNOW what a legit program/club looks like and how it is run. This club does not need new members to pay out current members, because we are actually invested together as a group of people, and everything is disclosed.

All of this secrecy by "Nick" and P2P is bullcrap. I help broker invitation-only, private banking deals. These are some of the most secretive investments out there, and even with those, EVERYTHING is explained to the investor, and all transactions are safe and guaranteed. The thing is, a majority of these programs have large minimums. The low is $2-5M, the norm is $100M.

P2P is a Ponzi setup, plain and simple, spoken by someone who has money in it.

I have PM'ed and emailed Taplyne and Chris007 several times each about getting my missing $200 refunded to my AP account, and all I get back is, "be patient." Here is my message history for anyone interested:

1. I posted a thread on August 7th

Footballer wrote:
I don't want to add to the large amount of support tickets if I don't need to.
What is the normal wait time for a deposit to show, thus enabling me to purchase an investment? My first time took 15 minutes. This time it has been 12 hours and my account balance still shows $0.00.
If I need to wait, that's fine. I want to know that. Or, should I submit a support ticket with all of my AlertPay transaction info?
Thanks.


2. No response that day, so I submitted a support ticket on August 7th

The automated response:
Your Ticket has been received and a member of our staff will review it and reply accordingly. Listed below are details of this Ticket. Please make sure the Ticket ID remains in the subject at all times.
Ticket ID: APN-460178
Subject: Deposit from AlertPay not showing after 16 hours.


3. Taplyne responded via PM to my August 7th thread post on August 9th

Subject - Re: Report here: Wait of more than 24 hrs AP deposit
Sent at: August 9th, 2008, 3:09 pm
From: Taplyne
To: Footballer

ATTENTION members having an AP missing Deposit
Please PM Taplyne the following information with subject line AP MISSING DEPOSIT:
If you do NOT have that in the subject line it will be deleted.
YOUR:
P2P username
AP email address
transaction ID#
amount $$

Thank you
Taplyne

Anyone else sending support questions WILL BE DELETED !!!! Send ticket to Support for ACCOUNT ACCESS Issues !!


4. I sent an email on August 14th to p2p-depositissues@live.com, per instructions from another thread posted by Taplyne. Note, I sent this email instead of PM’ing her the info.

I included the following info:
1. Username
2. AP email
3. Processor
4. Amount
5. Date
6. Copied and pasted full transaction details from my AP account


5. On August 30th, I posted a new thread to Taplyne:

Title: Taplyne - Alert Pay Deposit Issues

Footballer wrote:
I followed your instructions with regards to my missing AP deposit, but have not heard anything or had anything explained or resolved. I deposited $200 from my AP account into my P2P account on August 7th. All requested details were sent to you on August 14th. This needs resolved, and I would like the funds sent back to my AP account. What do you need from me to do this?


6. That same day, Chris007 replied to my post with this:

Chris007 wrote:
Regarding Tappin's instructions.. I'm not sure what she had told you to do, but I suspect it is the same as I am about to tell you. Follow the directions here and send 1 email only, then please wait patiently.

ALL previous, present and future deposits, whether due to a system glitch or because you sent it directly from STP or AP (or wire/walkin deposit), which have not shown in your account, you now must email the transaction details to :

"p2p-depositissues@live.com"

Anyone who is waiting on a deposit to be posted to their account MUST forward the following information:

1) P2P Username/STP Username/AP Email Address
2) The Processor it was sent from: AP or STP ? Bankwire? Money Order?
3) The Amount
4) The Date Sent
5) Any and all Transaction ID Numbers associated with the Deposit Sent.

DO NOT send emails to this address for any other issues !!!!!!!!
Anyone who sends incomplete deposit emails will simply have theirs deleted, so check the list above BEFORE pressing send.....we will not chase you down for missing information!!!

Thank you !

Please send 1 email with all the information asked for above, and when your deposit is found, it will be credited with 2% interest per day.

Cheers,
Chris


7. On August 31, I sent a PM to Chris007 in response to his reply to me on the board:

Subject - Missing AP Deposit
Sent at: August 31st, 2008, 11:11 pm
From: Footballer
To: Chris007

Chris,

This is a follow-up to your reply to my post to Taplyne in the Other Account Issues thread.

I sent an email to Taplyne on August 14th with all of the details needed. I followed the exact instructions then that you posted today. The problem is, I was not sent anything in return to let me know that the email was received, acknowledged, and being resolved.

It's frustrating that 2 weeks later, I had to post something to know something, AFTER I read that several members who complained about something were refunded their money and had their deposits refunded to their AP accounts.

With Nick and all of his original support staff "leaving" for another "project" in the midst of payouts being 60+ days late, I no longer have any confidence in P2P and would like my "missing" deposit returned to me immediately. You can even keep the 2% per day. The error is most definitely on your all's side, seeing as AP processed the payment, with full records that I will supply to you again.

On a side note- at the rate things are going, the 60 day plan I started on July 23, which I will request a payout for on September 21, if it does pay out, will not get back to me until December!

Here are my details again, copied and pasted direct from my AP account, to help expedite the process:

…transaction details…


8. September 3rd, I sent this PM to Taplyne:

Subject - Missing AP Deposit since Aug. 7
Sent at: September 3rd, 2008, 3:58 pm
From: Footballer
To: Taplyne

This is the 2nd time I've sent you this information. I need you to respond, letting me know you received the info and are RESOLVING the issue.

…transaction details…

I submitted a support ticket on August 7th. Automated response. I posted a thread on the 14th, which you responded to. I emailed you the information you asked for, with no reply. I posted again on August 30th, to ask for a follow-up, which Chris007 responded to. I then PM'ed Chris007 the info, with no reply. It's been 4 weeks since my deposit did not show up, with NO RESPONSE affirming that the issue is being resolved.

I am requesting that you immediately refund the $200 to my Alert Pay account. You can keep the 2% a day credit. You have all of the info you need posted above to do so.


9. Taplyne’s response that same day:

Subject - Re: Missing AP Deposit since Aug. 7
Sent at: September 3rd, 2008, 7:18 pm
From: Taplyne
To: Footballer

Hi,

I have searched through my inbox, outbox and sent box and see nothing from you or to you so I do not know when you actually sent me something.

I have forwarded your information to refunding.

Taplyne


10. My response later that day (notice I replied to the original PM she sent me in August, even though she just told me she searched everywhere and saw nothing from me!):

Re: Report here: Wait of more than 24 hrs AP deposit

Thank you.

You never received a PM from me containing the necessary info because I followed the directions in the forum which instructed us to send the same info to the special email address for missing AP deposits.

If you scroll down, you'll see at least one PM I sent you on August 7, and the response you sent me on August 9. On August 14, I emailed the requested information to the above mentioned email address you all supplied for the missing AP deposits.

Also, in another thread, you told someone that only Nick can do refunds, or something like that. Isn't this a problem, with all the work he has to do, from the Philippines? Is there not someone else who can handle it?


11. September 4th response from Taplyne:

Re: Report here: Wait of more than 24 hrs AP deposit
Sent at: September 4th, 2008, 9:36 am
From: Taplyne
To: Footballer

You're welcome.
The information received from any member missing a deposit had been forwarded on and then a post was put out in the forum for all others to follow the same process if they had a missing deposit. Your request for refund was passed on to Nick and he takes it from that point.

Taplyne

END FOR NOW

What legitimate business who deals with such a supposed volume of money on a daily basis could ever get away with being over 70 days behind on ANTYTHING!? What legit outfit LOSES who knows how much money in deposits, and when made aware, does not follow up until contacted again, and then simply says, "be patient."!? I thought we had a finely trained replacement team running this program in Nick’s stead, or as Nick put it, P2P practically runs itself! It was 2 weeks, with no response, before I posted, and the responses gave me no idea of what to expect.

Nick has "moved on," and now the whole support staff is moving on with him. Do people not see the obvious when they freaking post this crap!?

This whole thing is a lie. People who defend it on these boards fall into one of three categories:

1. A P2P staff member, who is part of the scam and fighting to perpetuate it.

2. A member who knows it’s a scam (not what it claims to be), is making money and getting paid out, and wants it to keep going (more new people investing money).

3. A member who is hopeless in their belief that this is finally the thing that will let them live their dreams. And/or, a gift straight from God. As a Christian, and a minister (I volunteer as part-time worship minister), it pains me to read so many people thanking God for Nick and his staff and what they’ve done, or more often, what they are going to do. It’s worse that some have gotten paid and believe it’s real. When you attack that and label it a fraud, the true believers, like it’s some religion, jump to the defense, because, whether they understand they are doing it or not, they take your attack on P2P as an attack on their own dreams. If you were to introduce even a little doubt, they are afraid of the damage it could do, and they feel much better living in their fantasy.

As I read through all of this thread, I understood that many of you have seen this played out over and over again. It’s actually predictable. These scammers actually follow the same script over and over, and you all call them on it. My friend who referred me wouldn’t come around as quick as I did to P2P being fake. He kept saying, “You know the folks we work with, how private they are, and how much some of these programs yield, so P2p is kind of like that.” But I explained it to him this way. These folks (you guys) have seen this same play acted out many times before, just with different character names and slightly different twists. But every time there are the same acts, major players, and finales.

I don't want to sound full of myself when I say this, but compared to what I make, $400 is pocket change. I wanted to test the program, knowing I could lose it and be okay. But I'm still pissed about the fact that I may never see my second $200, and that the first, well, IF P2P is around, the way things are going, I'll request a payout at the end of September, and MAYBE I'll get paid in December! I probably won’t see my $400, but people have paid more to learn less. I know with a lot more clarity what a scam looks like, and what legitimate investments and programs look like. The stuff I deal with, Nick has no clue about, yet claims to run in those circles.

To take my word, you have to just trust. No one knows me, or what I’m about. But I share sincerely and speak honestly. I’ve taken a little ride on the P2P train, I’ve seen all of the details and facts and stories.

P2P IS NOT WHAT IT CLAIMS. IT IS A PONZI SCHEME, AND SOME PEOPLE WILL LOSE A LOT OF MONEY.

Now I’m on the side of those who simply wish to protect the innocent, the unwitting, and the desperate.

If this experience is accurate, it is a clear malfunction on the part of P2P support. But how this leads to your conclusion that P2P is a Ponzi scheme is an extraordinary charge that requires some evidence. The only credible evidence would be the claim from members that they have lost money. So far, I have seen no such legitimate claims. I have a standing offer here to produce the username and investment details to me and I'll investigate their claim. If they invested in P2P and lost their money to P2P, I'll make good their loss. You're not one of those claimants yet. Your scenario has yet to play out.

One other thing. It is hypocritical to make accusations of others (it's called bearing false witness) and asserting libelous claims that P2P is a Ponzi game when you cannot provide proof of that claim. And the fact that you proudly lay claim to being a preacher makes it all the more hypocritical. Before you raise your sanctimonious voice against others, make sure you're not breaking one of the commandments you claim to believe in. You write like an angry, self-righteous child and an unforgiving phony. What I'm saying is, your Christian love seems to be elusive in your vilifying, spiteful post. Keep god out of the discussion if you have no idea how to follow him. You don't have his ear, no matter how you phonies like to pretend you do. You proved that by your hateful tone and attitude. Live the golden rule a little more and the 9th commandment a little less.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Trickle phase now , every time the noise gets too loud from members asking about payments, they trickle a few out to keep the hope going. The only good thing is the members are smart enough to post under another id. Well most

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What people don't realize is that at the current rate of payouts, people who request a payout in the first few days of August will have to wait about 100 days to get their money. Those who request payouts in early September will have to wait about 130 days. It's just getting worse and worse and the members don't realize that. P2P needs to start paying at least one day every day, but it would be best to pay more than one day per day. That's the only way to get caught up.

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And you know all of this how? Give this person credit he figured it out all by himself. You are so full of it you have no idea of what you're talking about

Hey Mike. You want me to come back and slam dunk these poor little ignorant servant slaves? If so I will check back in due course. I may have questions for these poor misguided uninformed little boot lickers.

Maybe something along these lines.

True or false. The big bad US Gov. has jurisdiction wherever there nay be life in the entire universe? Ok. False. I'll go ahead and anser that one.

True or false. The SEC has complete administrative authority (since they are only an administrative body) in Russia?
False

China? False!

Taiwan? False!

Belize? False!

Just for our little ignorant readers knowledge, on this let me be clear. Ever heard of a Constitution? Well the Constitution of Belize prohibits the disclosure of any banking information whatsoever except by order of the Supreme Court of that sovereign country. Belize just so happened to drop their reciprocity agreement with the good ol US of A and also every other country in the entire world. They aren't looking for any of uncle Sam's bribery debt notes. They are all too well aware of the worthlessness of those paper backed by nothing but debt instruments.

Oh yea! I do digress yet again. Those that have no knowledge of the LAW, and believe the color of law is the end all, haven't the faintest idea about sovereignty. They just lick them boots without ever questioning anything. They depend on the matrix, as it were, so wholly, that any truth that reveals their certain and determined ignorance always illicit s the same response. Bury that head in the sand and repeat the same lies in the hopes that the intelligent and educated will some how join them in their ignorance so at last they shall find peace. No matter how many times they do this though they just remain blind and ignorant as their perceived tormentors continue on the path of enlightenment. They always rebut with the same tired diatribe. It's illegal, it's illegal, its illegal, because someone, my masters said so. These poor misguided individuals can't seem to grasp the idea of some other foreign sovereign nation just totally ignoring the color of law codified statutory regulations coming out of the article one branch of government of the great United States.

All though this may come as a surprise and a shock to these little legal beagle minds filled with hardly more than gapping volumes of ignorance, there are many countries in this world that could give a rat's rear end what legislation the United States rolls out it hallowed chambers of congress. The reason for this as I myself am not a subject of the corporation known as the USA, neither are they. Like me they know this and understand it. They are not ignorant. They realize since they are not subjects of the USA, they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Just like me although I live in the united states. Not the United Sates. I do not reside there. I live there. The united states that is, not the United States.

Of course to our little ignorant boot licking servants they try and convince themselves and as many others that will join them, that this is folly and or fantasy. To come to the realization of the truths I speak and the reality of the LAW upsets their proverbial apple cart. The control through fear is lost. Why? Ye shall know the truth, and it shall make you free. This is misquoted many times with the word set instead of make. The truth shall MAKE you free not set you free. Like it or not you shall be made free by the truth.

As long as one places ones self in a place that cares not the edicts of other governments, then what some may declare as "illegal" in fact is a falsehood. A misnomer! It is not the case that the United States said let there be light and there was light. That puny little organization has already for sometime now betrayed its creator and rightful master. Be very afraid oh ye little mind numbed servants. Your power exist only in your ignorant little minds. The true authority of your rightful masters, we the people, is going to show you the light of the truth.

So in closing. If it were even possible that the website known as P2P was in some manner in violation of some pathetic codified statutory color of law control freak regulation promulgated by the article one authorized halls of the legislative branch of government of the United States, to those that are not the subjects of that nation they know full well how toothless that paper tiger is.

Once again. Ignorance of the LAW is no excuse. Its still just plain old ignorance.

Our mind is of 3 categories: what we know, what we don’t know, and what we don’t know we don’t know. Not knowing is unfortunate; not knowing that we don’t know is tragic. - W. Erhart. (and may I add, if the shoe fits)

And

The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate. - Dr. Wayne Dyer (once again, you know who you are and fortunately for me, so do I)

Now my little ignorant ones. Get a clue OK?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

P2P support sucks.No wonder people are swearing at them.They never seem to answer tickets.

If you are a member cut this bull crap and quit hiding in here. If you are a member and you are not happy why don't you have some balls and quit this cowardly act and request your refund. That's all the advice i have for you!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can attempt to make whatever abstract Libertarian arguments you like,

Uh the truth has no need of political servitude.

which btw I don't necessarily disagree with,

All is not lost unto you in that case.

but the practical reality is that there are securities laws

Correction. Color of law statues.

and that P2P's program is operating in violation of those laws

Well as you say in reality only according to you so far as no actual "legal" body has rendered a decision as to the factualness of your conjectured, speculative assertion to date.

which exist for some very good reasons, among them the rampant abuse and fraud, both of which also are practical realities of the world in which we live.

Like the rampant abuse and fraud of the very government that you hold in such high esteem perhaps?

Another practical reality is that the government has the ability to enforce those laws.

Yea if they pull out enough brute force they can for the most part continue to reign by fear and intimidation. Well except for those parts of the world, and they are many, where they have no authority or in other words jurisdiction huh!

That being the case, although it seems like a rather trite cause to me, if you want to build a pyre and make yourself a martyr for man's God-given right to operate and invest in Ponzi scams, then knock yourself out.

Why sir your assumptions to this end rest assured are based solely in ignorance at the least. I have declared nothing of the sort.

Alternately, you'd can attempt to effect some change to the law.

In this again your ignorance of the LAW leads you to false assumptions. The LAW is. It can not be changed. Now color of law is another story but i have no need nor desire to meddle in that quagmire.

As things stand that will require that you present a much more effective case than in your ranting, meandering argument here before the Supreme Court

Are you so delude that you claim I am somehow "here before the Supreme court?

where these laws have been upheld many times and in many ways, both as they apply to securities law and to "right to contract"-type matters. And to the high courts of most other countries as well. In either case, good luck with that.

Surely even you could not be so ignorant as to consider luck has anything to do with the LAW. Just in case though, let me explain. The LAW is different than color of law. Knowledge of both is a must in order to secure God given rights such as the right to contract but luck has nothing to do with that knowledge. Understand?

In the interim, P2P remains in direct violation of US as well as Canadian securities law and Nick is lying when he represents that it is operating legally.

So is your cliam. In truth to date however this is just an assertion made by you and others and in truth is meaningless, hollow rhetoric. As there have been neither legal nor lawful judgments as of this writing to support your speculative invalid claims. Please try and understand. Anyone may claim anything but that is all it is. A baseless claim until such time as the claim is, say it with me now, V-A-L-I-D-A-T-E-D.

The validation of your claim is supported by which legal judgment from which court and in which jurisdiction did these pleadings take place? P2P V Whom? Please direct me to the public record where it was decide that P2P is a ponzi/scam in violation of ------ section of the United States code. This took place when? I seemed to have missed it!

No more baseless assumptive assertions please. Just facts please. I understand you may very well believe every word you write but the fact is beliefs do not constitute facts. Some people still believe the earth is flat and you can fall off the edge. I ask them as well for validation of their beliefs.

Until such time as your theories are vindicated, maybe a little less chest thumping would be in order. The truth is as of this moment P2p is batting a thousand and you my presumptive fried are batting ZERO.

Please explain why ponzi to prosperity is 72 days behind on payouts now if its not a ponzi scam?