Pathway-2-Prosperity - Pathway-2-Poverty - Pathway-2-Ponzi

[MRMIKE42]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Doesn't the same apply to those who have claimed to have been paid by P2P?
Anyone paid recently by P2P should be more than happy to post a snap shot of their payout to prove beyond reasonable doubt that payments are in fact being made.
Note : I said RECENT and not payouts from months gone by.

Intriguing proposal. And do you know how to recognize a P2P payout through, say, STP? Are you familiar with the process enough to recognize a payout from P2P to an STP account and then to the STP account holder? Let me know. Then, if you can tell me how to do it, I'll send you a copy of my account payout history of just the last few weeks during which I've been paid thousands. I'll await your PM.

But once I do that, what do you do? You publicly admit what? I'm ready to put up. What are you ready to do? At stake for me is my integrity because I've made claims to have been paid. What's at stake for you? When you answer that, let's go from there. I'm ready when you are.

[MRMIKE42]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is clearly stated in their FAQ's the following :

That is where P2P has failed in their obligations.
There is nothing said on their site that it would take 10 weeks for them to payout on requests.

What you fail to recognise is that people have already been burnt. Waiting 10 weeks for funds to come through has caused all sorts of personal financial hardships but here we have a so called CEO jetsetting across the globe in pursuit of his personal interests.
How would you like to wait 10 weeks for your next pay check?

That by YOUR definition is what you consider a paying program. I have simply taken my instructions from the FAQ's listed on the P2P website where it states clearly that payments would be made within 5 to 10 business days.
Not only have they failed to meet up to their TOS, they have also failed to recognise that their neglect is the cause for much dissatisfaction.
You may see it adequate to justify the delays which have been happening of late and being a more than patient individual I would even freely accept that they may be 28 days behind in payments but COMMON MR.MIKE! We're not talking days here, we're talking months.

I am simply dumbfounded that here you are pulling shots in favour of a program which has shown less then credible evidence of it legitimacy yet you seem somewhat prepared to accept that you MAY be deceived by what you are being told.
Any business which which tells half truths about itself must surely leave reasonable doubt on its legitimacy.
If it is evidence which you require, do a whois search on the P2P website and you will know what I am talking about.
Members were initially told that P2P was a registered entity from Canada. That statement was later recanted on and Gary posted an update stating that they were actually registered offshore.
I've done a search on their website registration and this is what they are listed as at godaddy.com
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration PATHWAY-2-PROSPERITY.NET at domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Now tell me Mr.Mike, does the above address look like an offshore address to you?
And YES, I am conducting my own research on P2P and its so called CEO and will be more than happy to post my findings here but like I've said in my previous post, Nick Smirnow draws a blank which leads me to wonder why the need for cloak and daggers.
I have also a complete list of these so called casinos in The Turks and Cocos and in Macau so trust me when I say that I am doing my research and so far, it doesn't look promising.

Let us all know what you find out. You won't be the first to make the attempt to do so. You won't be the last. So far, lots of closets, no skeletons. We're here, waiting with bated breath.

Originally Posted by MRMIKE42

Let us all know what you find out. You won't be the first to make the attempt to do so. You won't be the last. So far, lots of closets, no skeletons. We're here, waiting with bated breath.

I can tell you now with the confidence that the casinos who have responded to my enquiry know nothing of a Nick or Nicolas Smirnow though my investigation continues.
Not holding my breath either.

Originally Posted by MRMIKE42

Intriguing proposal. And do you know how to recognize a P2P payout through, say, STP? Are you familiar with the process enough to recognize a payout from P2P to an STP account and then to the STP account holder? Let me know. Then, if you can tell me how to do it, I'll send you a copy of my account payout history of just the last few weeks during which I've been paid thousands. I'll await your PM.

But once I do that, what do you do? You publicly admit what? I'm ready to put up. What are you ready to do? At stake for me is my integrity because I've made claims to have been paid. What's at stake for you? When you answer that, let's go from there. I'm ready when you are.

The process is quite simple.
Go to your transaction history in STP.
Copy the line where you have been paid which should contain all the details of payee, amounts and date of payments and paste it here.
I'm not asking for a snap shot of your account but I am counting on your honesty to provide accurate information.
YOU may have been paid recently, but there are countless others who are still waiting in line.
There is no public admission of anything required here just proof of payment. Your experience may vary from mine and in any case, I am not here to disprove that you have been paid, contrary that there are many others who have not.
How do we know this? We know this because payout requests are still pending from the 2nd of July and the adminsitration themselves have admitted that they are in arrears.
In addition, might I add that my main qualm with this program is not the fact that they are dribbling out payouts but the fact that they have continuously tried to jutify this delay with one lame excuse after another.
You may have been fortunate to have received a payment but once again, I ask that you spare a thought for the many who haven't.
I am equally concerned about the legitimacy of the P2P program since it does not show sufficient transparency to validate itself as a real business.
If my concerns are in fact true, then much of what has been told to us has been nothing more than deceit and P2P is indeed what many of the naysayers have claimed it to be i.e. a SCAM.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not defending P2P, but the domain registration is done through an anonymous registration service. The address is that of the service and not P2P.

This may be true but it still fails to explain why Nick would use any service from the U.S. when he has clearly stated on numerous occassions that he would never conduct business in that country.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is the scenario I see playing out in the near future...
1) Due to overwhelming pressure, Energy Bank is miraculously launched and the verification process to these accounts will be put in place. This will of course take time due to the overwhelming response.
2) After weeks of waiting for documents received by the administration to be approved, other issues will emerge mostly related to the inability or restrictions imposed by the currently used PP’s (Alert Pay & Solid Trust Pay) to move funds to Energy Bank. Naturally this is not the fault of the administration because they did not anticipate this happening.
3) After weeks of waiting for payout to AP & STP, members will be told that their pending requests will be cancelled and they now have to re-request using the brand spanking new, ultra efficient Energy Bank. To maintain the now dwindling faith of members to the program, promises will be made that all payout will be processed within days and not weeks. Members rush to re-request their payouts via Energy Bank and this causes a huge backlog, might even put that much stress on the servers that it crashes.
4) Energy Bank and P2P web site falls off the radar. The SEC or IRS through mutual co-operation of the offshore governments have raided their offices and ceased their data base.
5) Nick Smirnow or whatever his name is, goes into hiding to avoid prosecution and in doing so vows to return to make good on his promises.
6) Daily updates are released to keep members ‘in-the-loop’ so that they are informed on how their ‘hero’ is continuing on his fight for the ‘little man’. These updates dwindle down from daily updates to weekly, then fortnightly and eventually into silence.
7) The forum disappears.
Don’t you just hate it when these programs become so predictable?

Keep watching this space!

[shocfacter]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hey Piker yeah that is you Shocfacter. We all heard you the first time so stop repeating yourself. You are clogging up this thread and you are boring. You are such a midget. Give evidence that P-2-P is the same as your ponzi hopping plans in past or just shut up. Go ask you mommy for money or get a job. You definately have too much time on your hands. So that is your challenge prove it or shut up Piker. I really dont like you.

On other side Mrmike keeps being redundant saying to prove someone lost money. Yes we concede no one has. Ok! Prove it is not a ponzi or shut up.

So far all idle talk on both ends.

No one knows. Can we all admit that. So both of you put up or shut up and stop boring the world!

Ok Mr. "Im not a newbie." Since you want to throw challenges out there be sure not to get too butthurt when your challenge is Met: Here ya go:

Criminal Minds at Work: Ponzi Schemes 101

Some may have seen this already but my guess is most of you newbs havent. Hated to have to do that to ya Mr unregistered dude but you called me out. Now I CHALLENGE YOU to DIS-prove anything in that article. Oh wait, you probably will some how since your one of the faithful, zombie-like branch Nickidions. "Nick do no wrong!" "Nick do no wrong." ARRRRRGGGH!

I belong to P2P and am very happy I do. The Attorney General has been contacted in New York State and he has never heard of P2P and never any complaints.

Originally Posted by MRMIKE42

This is old news. There was a member who broke the P2P TOS and sent e-mails out indiscriminately for recruitment purposes. If you'll notice, there has been no follow-up story confirming the "illegality" of P2P "operating illegally" in ND because there were no securities being sold and no laws being broken. Write to the ND Securities Commissioner today and ask what laws she is referring to now that she's had a chance to check it out. And ask , if P2P was operating illegally in your State, why did you not bring charges against anyone for anything? No one seems to follow-up to see if something's actually true once they hear something they can use to support their point. Does P2P in fact pay $250 on a $100 investment every 60 days? Yes. I've collected (in my bank account, not on paper) many 60 day investments in large amounts since becoming a member early this year.

Do I care if anyone joins? Not at all. Do what you do. But let's be fair and check out our "facts" before offering half-truths and unsubstantiated claims of illegality and so forth.

It's also been one full year since Nick said pays would be caught up by Thursday morning


13th September 2007


Quote:
Hello EVERYONE,

It's Nick here. Just thought I would come in and make a Post before I get back to work around here !?! With every passing day we get closer & closer to being ALL caught up around here, and with ANY LUCK and without any MAJOR interruptions ..... our "GOAL" is to be COMPLETELY caught up by sometime later tomorrow (Wednesday) !?!
Right now, I have some MANUAL Deposits to take of and PROCESS, and then after that I will be TENDING to the PENDING Cashouts for September 5, 6 & 7 ...... then tomorrow we will be processing the PENDING Cashouts for September 8, 9, & 10 ....... meaning that when I get started working on Thursday morning, we will be COMPLETELY caught up and "back on track" !!!

I REALLY APPRECIATE the reduced number of calls of yesterday (Monday), as this simply allows me to CONCENTRATE on the COUNTLESS ADJUSTMENTS that are NECESSARY to make in so MANY of our Members' Accounts ..... so just like yesterday, if it is something that simply cannot wait then please give me a call, BUT if it is something that CAN wait for just another day or so ...... THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED JUST SO WE CAN GET BACK ON TRACK AROUND HERE !!
PLEASE DO NOT WORRY, AS WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ..... AND ARE SIMPLY GETTING CAUGHT UP DUE TO THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT MUST BE MADE TO MEMBERS' ACCOUNTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON !!!
I will also come in here again tomorrow morning and give you ALL an "UPDATE" with regards to our "progress" of getting ALL caught up ..... but as I mentioned above, HOPEFULLY by the end of tomorrow (Wednesday), we will in fact be "back on track" !?!

"P-2-P NETWORK" ..... INVEST WITH THE BEST !!!
Sincerely ..... Your Future Partner(s) in $UCCE$$,

Nick - CEO
Yeeah, Yeah I know..............setbacks Adoption.........Traveling.............Setting Up the "P2P Energy Bank........the lame excuses go on and on!!

[MRMIKE42]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The process is quite simple.
Go to your transaction history in STP.
Copy the line where you have been paid which should contain all the details of payee, amounts and date of payments and paste it here.
I'm not asking for a snap shot of your account but I am counting on your honesty to provide accurate information.
YOU may have been paid recently, but there are countless others who are still waiting in line.
There is no public admission of anything required here just proof of payment. Your experience may vary from mine and in any case, I am not here to disprove that you have been paid, contrary that there are many others who have not.
How do we know this? We know this because payout requests are still pending from the 2nd of July and the adminsitration themselves have admitted that they are in arrears.
In addition, might I add that my main qualm with this program is not the fact that they are dribbling out payouts but the fact that they have continuously tried to jutify this delay with one lame excuse after another.
You may have been fortunate to have received a payment but once again, I ask that you spare a thought for the many who haven't.
I am equally concerned about the legitimacy of the P2P program since it does not show sufficient transparency to validate itself as a real business.
If my concerns are in fact true, then much of what has been told to us has been nothing more than deceit and P2P is indeed what many of the naysayers have claimed it to be i.e. a SCAM.

Well, which is it? You claim no one's getting paid and ask for proof, now you concede maybe I'm getting paid but others are not. This is a classic backing off of a position when faced with evidence contrary to your claims.

Even though you have nothing at stake in this, I'm going to post a recent payoff to me from P2P. Those of you in the program will recognize this as an authentic copy of a payment from P2P (rddirect) to my STP account and the second transaction is STP wiring the money to me. I've left out certain details for obvious reasons.


Transaction ID: xxxxxxxxxxxx
To mxxxx
From rddirect
Total Amount 3,431.25 USD
Fee Amount -51.72 USD
Net Amount 3,379.53 USD
Actual Currency Paid in USD
Actual Currency Amount 3,431.25 USD
Description mxxxxx
Date 04 Sep 2008 @09:12 AM
Refund Refund

Transaction ID: xxxxxxxxx
To wire
From mxxxxxxx
Net Amount -3,340.00 USD
Fee Amount -40.00 USD
Total Amount Withdrawn -3,380.00 USD
Actual Currency Paid in USD
Actual Currency Amount Withdrawn -3,380.00 USD
Description Withdrawal
Date 04 Sep 2008 @09:24 AM

I have several of these in the past few weeks and I can post another one from a multi-thousand dollar payout today when I wire the money to my bank next week. Again, there is NO PROOF that P2P members are not getting paid. Perhaps their payments are late, but they are still being made! No one can show otherwise, period!