Pathway-2-Prosperity - Pathway-2-Poverty - Pathway-2-Ponzi

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You named names, but offered no credible proof they lasted for more than two years. Post the proof!

12dp and Studio traffic were in the 18 month or so range . Studio Traffic ran out of funds. 12dp had about $55 million or so when they got shut down. If there were not shut down they could easily have runned longer than 2 years, it was still growing at the time 18 months ( or so) into it . But at the end it was a ponzi which is the main point here. ASD fits into the same senario as 12dp, around $52 seized and 18 or so months. They were in a different spot light, they both had 100,000 + members, alot more exposure.

You guys can babble all you want on getting paid but reality is if the funds are il gotten whats the point? Pimps get paid and so do drug dealers but that doesnt make it right.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You should contact the royal canadian mounted police about Nick Smirnow. He is a criminal stealing peoples money. I have already called them about him.

I put in $100.00 in this crap investment company. But got a funny feeling and immediately cashed out. This was on july 7th it is now sep 8th and still no money. I just keep getting oh "you just have to wait for the payout" and what not. Then ohh "you have to wait for Nick to process it". I feel i was just scammed and probably never getting it back .

Don't fall for the B.S posts about people getting payed.. They're not!! i can't even get a refund from them.

If you're smart stay far away from this company. Especially stay away from any company that has no true contact info. They're very secretive for the reason that they're out to steal your money.

Originally Posted by MRMIKE42

FOR EZ TARGET: Read the above post and learn.

Obviously I was not clear about my challenge. I am not in any Romanian investment program, I'm in P2P and you asserted P2P was a Ponzi scheme. P2P is an online program and that is what's germane to this discussion, not some ages old corpse you dragged out. Now let's do this again....name any online Ponzi scheme lasting longer than two years. But what real difference does that make anyway? The real issue here is your charges that P2P is a Ponzi scheme. So name someone, anyone, just ONE person who has lost their money with P2P in the almost two years it's been active. That's what's really important anyway, not how long other so called Ponzi schemes have lasted. So let's have those names, EZ TARGET. We're waiting....c'mon! NAMES PLEASE!!!Remember, no names, no credibility.

And because he has no names, not even one, we're right back where we started with him being....an EZ TARGET.

I have not received my money from them.. So you can shut the F**K up about this not being a total scam site.. Also i didn't even invest in it, i just put it in and processed it for a refund and it's been well over two months. So what the F**K is that??

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Swiss Cash
Dad and Daves
Dxsynergy
Legisi
And many others

Do a search of any of the usual forums and find the dates that they started. Subtract the date when they ended = proof. Done. Any questions?

HELLO! You are the individual making the claim. Why are you asking others to do the research to proof your claims? Stop being lazy, if the proof is truly available post it!

[lizwestoz]

Good things come to those who wait! that's all I have to say.

[MRMIKE42]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

12dp and Studio traffic were in the 18 month or so range . Studio Traffic ran out of funds. 12dp had about $55 million or so when they got shut down. If there were not shut down they could easily have runned longer than 2 years, it was still growing at the time 18 months ( or so) into it . But at the end it was a ponzi which is the main point here. ASD fits into the same senario as 12dp, around $52 seized and 18 or so months. They were in a different spot light, they both had 100,000 + members, alot more exposure.

You guys can babble all you want on getting paid but reality is if the funds are il gotten whats the point? Pimps get paid and so do drug dealers but that doesnt make it right.

Yeah, coulda woulda shoulda. But I don't see any of those schemes older than two years. But let's forget that. I'll even concede there may be some. So what? There are more pertinent issues to discuss. For example, let's look at those previously mentioned Ponzi schemes versus P2P and compare them with the basic rules and guidelines for determining whether a program is a Ponzi scheme. I've listed a few right out of the handbook of Ponzi Rules and Regulations.

RULE: The identity of the administrator of the Program is always concealed.

Certainly not so with P2P. You seem to know everybody connected with it. So do its members.

RULE: Do not put an email address or a "contact@ button" on your site, though sometimes this is permissible at start-up to reply to inquiries with exaggerated promises and encouragement.

P2P must be the most contactable "Ponzi game" in history. I even have Nick's address and home phone number. So do many other members, especially the early ones before P2P got heavily populated. Anyone can contact the P2P staff at any time by name. Plus, I have never seen any exaggerated promises or encouragement to join. In fact, you are cautioned many times that if you don't want to follow the terms, don't join! You're also told to be patient, And if you can't be patient, don't join!

RULE: Never communicate with any of the complaining members.

Yeah, try shutting the P2P staff up! Register a complaint and see if they ignore you.

RULE: Never put a telephone number on your website. This could lead to your location.

It could also lead to several thousand calls a day for inconsequential information, necessitating an enormous support staff. E-mail contact can accomplish the same thing with fewer staff. Besides, as I said, I have Nick's home phone number, as many others do.

RULE: Advertise everywhere. On the internet, on blogs, scam, collect email addresses of everyone you know and everyone you don’t know. You can purchase email addresses from unscrupulous companies.

P2P does not advertise and if any of its members is caught advertising, they will be suspended.

RULE: Tell members to put the Program’s link on their websites.

Same as above. Get caught and you're out.

RULE: Encourage members to put the Program’s link on other websites.

See above.

RULE: Encourage members to tell all their family and friends.

I've never seen P2P "encourage" its members to tell family and friends. When a program works, no encouragement is needed. In fact, you have to have permission for a second family member from the same household to have an account with P2P. Right now, they are not granting that permission. If the program is desperate for money, why not encourage membership? And why not encourage those members to invest all the money they can? No real Ponzi scheme would put a limit on what you can invest, but P2P does!

RULE: Tell members they are fortunate to be in at the very beginning of this program and to spread this word to everyone else.

P2P has never done this.

RULE: This whole process should take approximately six-to nine months (depending on your level of greed).

P2P is much older than 6 to 9 months.

So it looks as though P2P has broken many of the critical Rules for running a successful Ponzi scheme. If it is a Ponzi, how on Earth have they lasted as long as they have being so inept at Ponzi management basics? This is some god-awful Ponzi scheme! Caps on what you can invest, no advertising allowed, limitations on family membership, publicly identified staff and management, etc., etc., etc. Add to that this tidbit; there still is no proof that even ONE P2P member has ever lost money with P2P! So it would seem that we are back where we started. You have no evidence that P2P is a Ponzi game, and thousands of its members have a history of getting their investment being returned plus much more.

I'll take my evidence over yours. I'll also take my payouts over yours. And trust this: I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE ELSE EVER JOINS P2P. So let my "recruiting" intentions be made public to one and all.

P2P has also made it clear they don't "need" members. You break their terms or slander them and see how anxious they are to have you as a member. Imagine; a Ponzi scheme that throws you out but returns your money. Talk about the gang that couldn't shoot straight!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have not received my money from them.. So you can shut the F**K up about this not being a total scam site.. Also i didn't even invest in it, i just put it in and processed it for a refund and it's been well over two months. So what the F**K is that??

If you are a member all you have to do is put in a support ticket for your refund!
It's just that simple! If you made a mistake then that's on you!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have not received my money from them.. So you can shut the F**K up about this not being a total scam site.. Also i didn't even invest in it, i just put it in and processed it for a refund and it's been well over two months. So what the F**K is that??

You haven't invested so you can't get into the private forum, you must go to the home page click on contact us sign up for support and put in a support ticket asking for your refund it's that simple! That's if you are a real member! Also you can leave your user name and I will pass it on to a support MOD for you. Your choice!

Still paying,just behind and that's all.P2P is no ponzi either!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

HELLO! You are the individual making the claim. Why are you asking others to do the research to proof your claims? Stop being lazy, if the proof is truly available post it!

HELLO! You think this is the first time this line of reasoning has been used?

Here's how it goes...

- You ask the same dumb question from the standard list that cheerleaders always do in attempt to prove that _______ isn't a Ponzi.

- I give you the factual answer that you don't want to hear.

- You say "prove it."

- I give you the factual answer that you don't want to hear again.

- You say "that's not proof!"

- I point you directly to the source where you can find the factual answer that you don't want to hear.

- You ignore it and change the subject to go off onto some other tangent.

So I just saved us both a few steps. There are plenty of other examples of Ponzis that have lasted longer than P2P which serves to discredit the original
thesis that it couldn't be a Ponzi on that basis.