California parents "do not have a constitutional right" to home-school their children

[angel1964]

tanja you ahve no room to critisize anyone on here. Go back and do spell check. I know I make msitakes spelling but when your calling some out on a mistake, dont make mistakes yourself so I guess your not that educated at all. Home schooling is for lazy parents who dont want to get off there buts and let their kids have a life. They want to coddle them and keep them all to themselves so when they get older and have to go out in the real world they wont be able to with out their mommies. That is sick and home scholoing should be against the law. TBYTE you are jsut an idiot. Your words mean nothing. And now you have this **** jumping on your band wagon. Not a good wagon to jump on becasue TBTYe is not liked very well on a lot of these posts. Chess ,checkers,what difference does it make to you 2 all people are idiots except for you right.

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by angel1964

tanja you ahve no room to critisize anyone on here. Go back and do spell check. I know I make msitakes spelling but when your calling some out on a mistake, dont make mistakes yourself so I guess your not that educated at all. Home schooling is for lazy parents who dont want to get off there buts and let their kids have a life. They want to coddle them and keep them all to themselves so when they get older and have to go out in the real world they wont be able to with out their mommies. That is sick and home scholoing should be against the law. TBYTE you are jsut an idiot. Your words mean nothing. And now you have this **** jumping on your band wagon. Not a good wagon to jump on becasue TBTYe is not liked very well on a lot of these posts. Chess ,checkers,what difference does it make to you 2 all people are idiots except for you right.

Boy talk about arrogant you were the person who attacked us about our opinion, on schooling our own childeren and what we thought about the education system . You voiced your very over opinionated statement about how ignorant others were and how your are so much better. AS I said before someways work for some and others well then we have people like you. You may be very smart but you lack TACT and possibley you need some common sense and maybe understand not everybody learns the same.I dont think you are an IDOIT just uninformed and you should learn chess open your mind .

[tbyte]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The biggest attitude problems have been home school parents and their kids. Not all of them, mind you. Just the biggest behavior problems.

So SOME of the home school kids had problems, but some did not. And I assume that SOME of the public/private school children had problems, but others did not.
Then don't you have to admit at least the possibility that home-schooling was not the issue? And isn't is possible that the kids with the most severe social issues were home-schooled BECAUSE of these issues, rather than home-schooling being the cause of the issues? In Psychology, this error is known as confusing correlation with cause and effect.
As a social experiment based upon your own experiences you are dealing with a small sample set, you do not have a "double-blind" design as you were aware of which children were home schooled, and and you did not control for any "confounding factors".

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I assure you tbite, I have plenty of years coaching, teaching and mentoring both kids and adults. I speak of my experience, and it is substantial.

I am sure I can at least match your experience, and I have not observed what you have observed. Therefor, all we have personally are mere anecdotes. This may be as much as a person like Angel1964 can understand, but hopefully legislators and policy makers turn to more substantial research before making decisions.

Originally Posted by angel1964

TBYTE you are jsut an idiot.

And the researcher at the University of Maryland? Is she "jsut" an idiot too? And adminstrative staff of the Ohio Department of Education are "jsut" idiots as well?

[angel1964]

TBTYE, there are many researchers on many issues. I dont believe 1/2 of what they say to be true. Home schooling should not be allowed. Ban it. It is the kids who suffer and they dont even know it until they have to go out in public. HEres one example. The child I know who is home schooled and has ver little contact with ohter children, does not go out and play with other children and socially does not know how to act was at his one friends house. They were playing and the friend accidently hit him in the eye with something. He slapped him right across the face. That is not how to handle a situatin and if he was in the general public, he would learn how to handle situations. Parents are lazy.
Tanja and you attacked me about my opinion. And why is my opinion over opinionated? Please tell me? Because I dont agree with you and TBYTE? I think home schooling should be out lawed. Its not good for any kid. There are classes for all walks of kids. For gifted kids, for mentally handicapped kids, for disabled kids for kids of all walks of life. Get off your lazy buts, stop being so controlling. Your kids need to have social stimulation other than with their mommies hovering over them. Its disgusting.

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by angel1964

TBTYE, there are many researchers on many issues. I dont believe 1/2 of what they say to be true. Home schooling should not be allowed. Ban it. It is the kids who suffer and they dont even know it until they have to go out in public. HEres one example. The child I know who is home schooled and has ver little contact with ohter children, does not go out and play with other children and socially does not know how to act was at his one friends house. They were playing and the friend accidently hit him in the eye with something. He slapped him right across the face. That is not how to handle a situatin and if he was in the general public, he would learn how to handle situations. Parents are lazy.
Tanja and you attacked me about my opinion. And why is my opinion over opinionated? Please tell me? Because I dont agree with you and TBYTE? I think home schooling should be out lawed. Its not good for any kid. There are classes for all walks of kids. For gifted kids, for mentally handicapped kids, for disabled kids for kids of all walks of life. Get off your lazy buts, stop being so controlling. Your kids need to have social stimulation other than with their mommies hovering over them. Its disgusting.

The way you put down "homeschooled"kids and their parents where pretty low.

I havent rules out and /or forbidd any kind of schools.

You dont know what is the best for my kids.
I dont know what is the best for your kids.

And please dont call me lazy.
I have raised 6 kids now all adults in public school.
And I have never "hovered" over them.


I am not for all this Chheerleading that exits in schools.
I dont get all the crazzy things around sports and games in schools.
But just because I dont get it and/or like, that doesnt mean that I want to forbidd it ot out law it.

I realize that others takes this serious.

And I am also a fitness trainer so I am not lazy bump who hates exercise.

I am old enough to realize that we all are DIFFERENT and with different views and goals in life.

And want to forbidd things just cause you dont like it is crazzy.

If we did that there wouldnt be anything left since we all think differently.

So who is the more accepting one and controlling one ?
Not you.

[tanja53]

I find it very scary that there are people who dislikes other peoples so much that they want to outlaw those opinions.

Think about that again.
We dont that kind of a world.

[tbyte]

Originally Posted by angel1964

TBTYE, there are many researchers on many issues. I dont believe 1/2 of what they say to be true.

...so, in spite of ALL the research on hundreds of kids showing that homeschooling is not detrimental...

Originally Posted by angel1964

HEres one example. The child I know who is home schooled and has ver little contact with ohter children, does not go out and play with other children and socially does not know how to act was at his one friends house.

...simply because you know ONE homeschool child who has social issues...

Originally Posted by angel1964

I think home schooling should be out lawed. Its not good for any kid.

...you conclude that homeschooling is bad, and should not be allowed for anyone.

DOES IT NOT EVEN OCCUR TO YOU HOW STUPID THAT THINKING PROCESS IS?!?!

Probably not, because at some point after high school you simply stopped using your brain for thinking and reasoning.

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by tbyte

...so, in spite of ALL the research on hundreds of kids showing that homeschooling is not detrimental...
...simply because you know ONE homeschool child who has social issues...
...you conclude that homeschooling is bad, and should not be allowed for anyone.

DOES IT NOT EVEN OCCUR TO YOU HOW STUPID THAT THINKING PROCESS IS?!?!

Probably not, because at some point after high school you simply stopped using your brain for thinking and reasoning.

Tbyte.
Yes it just shows that even in a "public" school that they can produce kids who dont get "social" skills.

So I guesss that we should "ban" public schools now.

Just a thought.
What about all the kids who have used violence in school.
They have "great " social skills.
All products of public schools.

[tbyte]

Our public schools are currently so focused on preparing children for standardized tests that they never teach kids critical thinking, reasoning, and research skills.
The result is people like Angel.
It will be a great day when the "No Child Left Behind" act is finally left behind...

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by tbyte

Our public schools are currently so focused on preparing children for standardized tests that they never teach kids critical thinking, reasoning, and research skills.
The result is people like Angel.
It will be a great day when the "No Child Left Behind" act is finally left behind...

Agree.
I am so glad that I don't have kids in school anymore.
My youngest graduated high school last year.
Before that I was worried every day he left for school.
The school was under lock down twice. Once a kid brought a knife to school and acted out another time is was a gang thing.

And then all the shootings you heard at the news.

So when you send a kid to school you take a chance.
Sad but true.
And this is public schools.

It is so scary what is happening in our schools.
So we can hardly say that public schools is way better than anything else.

One of the problems with kids is not how the get their education. Is is who is their when they get it.

In our time all across the world both parents work. The kid is left on its own.
And kids learn social skills from their parents.

It is not our schools that should raise the kids it is the parents.

A lot of parents dont have the time and strenght to do that.

It is not easy to raise a child. Even less if you have been working all day long.

It is like to have a little puppy or kitten.
It is cute when it is small and innocent.
But it grows up and it is not that easy any more.