California parents "do not have a constitutional right" to home-school their children

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Home schooling your kids teaches them an upside down view of the world. They don't learn social skills very well. Why should they? Mommy is always there to solve their every problem! That is not how the world works. You do your kids a disservice home schooling them to satisfy your controlling needs. Period.

And you know all this how?

Everybody is different.
Sure there is always going to be kids that dont learn social skills.
But that has nothing to do with home schooling, private school or public school.

That has to do with the childs up brining.

There are enough parents who doesnt have have any social skills at all.
And they come from all different back grounds.

And what has schoooling to do with "parents controlling needs". Nothing.

Of cause there is always going to be parents who controls ( try to control) their kids.
But that has nothing to do with schools.

I went to public school in the 50-70 and I had to switch from public school to private.
The best step I ever did.
I finally caught up in learning.

The schools are so big and classes are overwhelming. And alot of kids cant cope with it.
Teachers dont have time with "slow learners".

I hope we all want the best for "our kids". And that includes to see where they belong.

[angel1964]

Tanja53 looks like you were homeschooled.Home schooling is for lazy parents. Bottom line. Home schooling is for parents who whant their kids to be totally controlled by them. Under their thumb, they want to think for them and that isnt good. Home schooled kids are social outcasts. They dont know how to act in real life. Thye think that their way is the only way and if yuou dont agree with them your a bad person. If your not like them, act like them, dress like them look like them then your bad or wrong. Homeschooled kids parents have no clue. There kid I know that is homeschooled gets schooled 2 hours a day, god knows how many days a week. He gets taught when ever his mother feels the need. Now this could be at 10.00 at night. She also watches are you samrter than a 5th grader and thats how she teaches her son. This is not an education. This is lazy time for mommy because she is a slacker. She is also socially inept and does not want her son to be around anyone. She does not want him to like anyone other than her. As far as being a chess player TBTYe I guess if your not a chess player your not smart right???? Wrong, another one of your stupid comments. And anyone who plays checkers is dumb?????? Your a loser and shouldnt be giving info on here. I feel so bad for all these home schooled kids who at some point in their life are going to have to make an entrance into the the real world and what are they going to do? Always have mommy with them. Ridiculous

[tbyte]

Originally Posted by angel1964

As far as being a chess player TBTYe I guess if your not a chess player your not smart right????

Never said that.

Originally Posted by angel1964

And anyone who plays checkers is dumb??????

Never said that either.

Originally Posted by angel1964

Tanja53 looks like you were homeschooled.

Angel, you don't know how to read. You don't know how to write. You don't know how to research. You don't know how to reason. Are you presenting yourself as an example of public school education?

Originally Posted by tbyte

I asked you folks, with the whole power of the internet at your fingertips, to cite some studies indicating that homeschooling is detrimental. You failed.

Still waiting. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

[tbyte]

Abstract from "Scholastic Achievement and Demographic Characteristics
of Home School Students in 1998" - Lawrence M. Rudner, University of Maryland

"This report presents the results of the largest survey and testing program for students in home schools to date. In Spring 1998, 20,760 K-12 home school students in 11,930 families were administered either the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills (ITBS) or the Tests of Achievement and Proficiency (TAP), depending on their current grade. The parents responded to a questionnaire requesting background and demographic information. Major findings include: the achievement test scores of this group of home school students are exceptionally high--the median scores were typically in the 70th to 80th percentile; 25% of home school students are enrolled one or more grades above their age-level public and private school peers; this group of home school parents has more formal education than parents in the general population; the median income for home school families is significantly higher than that of all families with children in the United States; and almost all home school students are in married couple families. Because this was not a controlled experiment, the study does not demonstrate that home schooling is superior to public or private schools and the results must be interpreted with caution. The report clearly suggests, however, that home school students do quite well in that educational environment."

EPAA Vol. 7 No. 8 Rudner: Home School Students, 1998

And here is what the Ohio Department of Education (a public school institution!) found:

"The Ohio Department of Education (1995) reported that students were given a normed, standardized achievement test or an alternative test, and an assessment test by a certified teacher to track progress of academics. Standardized testing was not conclusive, but highly probable in predicting academic achievement in higher education. The Ohio report cited the National Home School Legal Defense and the Home Research Institute found that homeschooled students averaged between the 65th and 80th percentile on normed, standardized achievement tests, where the national average was the 50th percentile. Also, results from the Iowa Test of Basic Skills, Spring 1994 test (as cited in Ohio Department of Education, 1998) showed 80% of homeschooled children across all age groups achieved individual scores above the national average, compared to 50% of the conventional school population. Ultimately, the Ohio report found that 53% of homeschooled children achieved individual scores in the top quarter percentile rank of the students who took the test."

Homeschooling: Adventitious or detrimental for proficiency in higher education | Education | Find Articles at BNET

But hey, what do we need with a load of "facts", and "research", from a bunch of "educated" people, when what's really important is that Angel is pissed off at her boyfriend's ex.

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by angel1964

Tanja53 looks like you were homeschooled.Home schooling is for lazy parents. Bottom line. Home schooling is for parents who whant their kids to be totally controlled by them. Under their thumb, they want to think for them and that isnt good. Home schooled kids are social outcasts. They dont know how to act in real life. Thye think that their way is the only way and if yuou dont agree with them your a bad person. If your not like them, act like them, dress like them look like them then your bad or wrong. Homeschooled kids parents have no clue. There kid I know that is homeschooled gets schooled 2 hours a day, god knows how many days a week. He gets taught when ever his mother feels the need. Now this could be at 10.00 at night. She also watches are you samrter than a 5th grader and thats how she teaches her son. This is not an education. This is lazy time for mommy because she is a slacker. She is also socially inept and does not want her son to be around anyone. She does not want him to like anyone other than her. As far as being a chess player TBTYe I guess if your not a chess player your not smart right???? Wrong, another one of your stupid comments. And anyone who plays checkers is dumb?????? Your a loser and shouldnt be giving info on here. I feel so bad for all these home schooled kids who at some point in their life are going to have to make an entrance into the the real world and what are they going to do? Always have mommy with them. Ridiculous

First I want to ask you to go back to my thread where I write vbery clearly that I have been in public school and in PRIVATE school.
I have never been in home school.

I am very highly educated.

I do believe that we are different and I dont rule out home schools.


My grand son , who is slow mentally due to a deadly disease, is going to be home schooled.

So for some kids home schooling is the correct way to go. But not perhapes for you or your kids . But if I were you I really would think about maybe working on getting an EDUCATION for yourself and your family. Cause from reading the way you just expressed yourself with your opinion you could use more education or at least work on how to express yourself better . Oh and yes you should take up Chess but learn how to play checkers first it easier for slower people to pick up good luck you sound like you need it .

[tbyte]

Originally Posted by tanja53

First I want to ask you to go back to my thread where I write vbery clearly that I have been in public school and in PRIVATE school.
I have never been in home school.

Reading is not one of Angel's stronger skills. Perhaps in our future responses to her we should include pictures instead. Or cartoons, maybe.

Originally Posted by tanja53

And you know all this how?

There were several of these "babies" in our neighborhood when we were kids. Calling them "babies" does a disservice to babies! There were a few in college with me. They couldn't do anything by themselves. Everything had to be s**** fed to them! They didn't know what "creative thinking" was! They were CONSTANTLY asking the rest of us "What are we supposed to do?" I've worked with these momma boys and had to fire a few also. I've also had to coach many since they are allowed, by law, to join high school teams even though they don't attend the school. They acted like fish out of water.

Home schooling should be reserved for those who have certain learning or physical disabilities IF it can be proved that their public school system can't meet their special needs.

Want to turn your son into a mamby pansy? Home school him. Want your daughter to marry the first **** she sleeps with? Home school her.

You people don't sound like parents, who want to prepare your kids to be strong, independent, confident adults. You sound like selfish brats who have the law allowing you to control your kids for your own narcissistic gratification. You all make me sick.

Let me be clear, I don't dislike home schooled kids. I hate their parents for what they've done to their innocent children. I told this to one father after he made a big deal that his boy wasn't the star running back on our team. He threatened to sue me! I offered him a deal. He could stay and ***** but, he had to do it as one of my assistant coaches. If he wouldn't do that he wasn't welcome at our practices. I only saw him at games after that and he never opened his mouth again to me or any of my coaches. His son was a good boy. Too bad his father was such a control freak azz. THAT's what home schoolers do to their kids. Pure and simple! Just what kind of lesson do you think that guy taught his son?

Home schooling should be out lawed!!!

[tanja53]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There were several of these "babies" in our neighborhood when we were kids. Calling them "babies" does a disservice to babies! There were a few in college with me. They couldn't do anything by themselves. Everything had to be s**** fed to them! They didn't know what "creative thinking" was! They were CONSTANTLY asking the rest of us "What are we supposed to do?" I've worked with these momma boys and had to fire a few also. I've also had to coach many since they are allowed, by law, to join high school teams even though they don't attend the school. They acted like fish out of water.

Home schooling should be reserved for those who have certain learning or physical disabilities IF it can be proved that their public school system can't meet their special needs.

Want to turn your son into a mamby pansy? Home school him. Want your daughter to marry the first **** she sleeps with? Home school her.

You people don't sound like parents, who want to prepare your kids to be strong, independent, confident adults. You sound like selfish brats who have the law allowing you to control your kids for your own narcissistic gratification. You all make me sick.

Let me be clear, I don't dislike home schooled kids. I hate their parents for what they've done to their innocent children. I told this to one father after he made a big deal that his boy wasn't the star running back on our team. He threatened to sue me! I offered him a deal. He could stay and ***** but, he had to do it as one of my assistant coaches. If he wouldn't do that he wasn't welcome at our practices. I only saw him at games after that and he never opened his mouth again to me or any of my coaches. His son was a good boy. Too bad his father was such a control freak azz. THAT's what home schoolers do to their kids. Pure and simple! Just what kind of lesson do you think that guy taught his son?

Home schooling should be out lawed!!!

Ok you have run into some ignorent parents.
A lot of parents are like that.
But that has nothing to do with home schooling at all.

All kids are different and need different things.

All my children, who are now grown up Adult's, have been in public schools.
Some did great, others good and others I should have either home schooled or put in private school.

I learned all that what work;s for some does not work for all.

Public school is not for everybody. Neither is private school.
Or home school.Every thing is on an individual basis just the same way that you whould caoch a team good player's are first string and so on.

The childs need and ability to cope and learn that should be the number one priority every kid on a wining team not on your winning IDOLOGY.

Many public schools are way to big not enough individual ATTION etc...

So to rule out one way of learning for another is very immature and totally unnecessary.

Grow up and stop being so negative to others with opinions that do'nt match yours. And you sound like a stero type by your diatribe. Bet you were a bully in high school. Grow learn to express yourself better you sound like a PUBLIC SCHOOL BULLEY.

[tbyte]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just what kind of lesson do you think that guy taught his son?

Are you going to claim that you never had problems with any parents except the ones that home-schooled their children? If so, you did not coach very long, and with your attitude I can understand why.

Originally Posted by tbyte

Are you going to claim that you never had problems with any parents except the ones that home-schooled their children? If so, you did not coach very long, and with your attitude I can understand why.

Not at all. But, the biggest problems have not been the "little league" dads who we have all met. The biggest attitude problems have been home school parents and their kids. Not all of them, mind you. Just the biggest behavior problems.

I assure you tbite, I have plenty of years coaching, teaching and mentoring both kids and adults. I speak of my experience, and it is substantial.