Cheating from china, please help us

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From,
Mathew George
Thodukonics,
Azad Road, Kaloor
Kochi, Kerala, INDIA
Zip- 682017 Phone +91 484 2340209, +91 9422145307

Opposite Client
HENAN FUTIAN INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO.,LTD (Henan China Futian International
commerce & trade Co. Ltd.)
Tel:+86-371-63752882 Fax:+86-371-63752992 New Fax: +86-371-6339 6203
Add: No.330(72) Longhai Road, Agricultural Road and Nanyang Road
intersection
Zhengzhou, Henan 450000, China
Web: www.hnfutian.com http://www.hn-jianye.com/

Respected sir,
Reference: Request to take action against a 7 member group, for cheating and forgery. They invites business people from abroad promising business , put them in trap and take money. They are taking the advantage of the situation when a person visits them , and cannot interact with others due to language problem. They impress the visitor and take undue advantage, extract money and send back.. They sign business contract which we feel is not having any value. Please help us for recover our money.

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We are having a registered industry unit No. 09/03/16275/93/PMT/SSI, manufacturing Wireless PABX and Wireless Intercoms systems since1993 and selling it all over the world through our web www.thodukonics.com.

A Chinese firm, HENAN FUTIAN COMMERCE TRADE LTD (Henan China Futian International commerce & trade Co. Ltd.) at 330, Longhai Road, Henan province Zhengzhou, a company fully owned by Government (they said), www.hnfutian.com invited us on 27Sep2007 to china for signing a contract for their requirement of some our special model equipments for the defense department. We had all the discussions including the product features, price , negotiation and they also send us the format of the contract we need to sign, everything over mail. But they wanted us to reach china for signing the contract. ( All their convincing emails are with us)

As per their official invitation ( invitation copy attached) I took VISA and went to Zhengzhou on 22-Oct2007 . and reached their about 19:00Hr. Mr.Shi Cheng Zhang: Import manager along with Mr.Allen: Mob no.+8613526825445 the interpreter, received me at the airport and took me to hotel, The Holidayinn. They wanted me to stay for 3 nights. for discussions and negotiations, to see their establishments, to sign the contract, they explained.

On 23-Oct2007, after the negotiations and discussions, In which they convinced me that they cannot make 40% advance , which we wanted and they agreed earlier, but only 35% will be made and that the delivery should be made in 100 days , But agreed to write 4 moths on my request, agreed to give the order . They invited for an Evening party. Mr. Allen told me that there will be six people for the party , as a practice, I Should bear the party expense. I agreed. If they can give me an order worth $364,000. why I should not give a dinner party to six people.

There was a dinner party with wine and music. It is a regular place for them as every body know them well. All the six people, the Vice president Mr. Shu Kun Zheng, Director Mr.Xing Yu wang, finance manager Mr. Cheng Bin Li , The Import manager Shi Cheng Zhang, Secretary Mr. Gou Zhou Chen , and the interpreter (The import assistant) Mr. Andy Zhang , were present in the party. ( Mr.Allen who was doing all the communication over e-mail was missing after I was taken to hotel from the airport) After about 2-3 hours, the Import manager told me that they will sign the contract and give it to me the next day. contract signed on 24-Oct2007

A hand written bill for the program came and it is shown to me. It was 27000.00 RMP and is converted to US Dollar , it was $3500. I was shocked, I was having only $700 with me , including the converted RMP. I gave all what I had and told I have only this much. They took it and told me. ok , they will adjust it. Took me to hotel, The Holiday inn, a star hotel , where I am staying, and asked me to take rest. They told me not to worry , we shall talk next day. Now I am not having a penny with me. In Holidayinn I have paid with my credit card, for 3 nights, breakfast is free. I could not sleep thinking what is next.

On 25-Oct2007 morning 3 of them came to my hotel. Shi Cheng Zhang: the import manger, Gou Zhou Chen: The secretary and Andy Zhang (who translates every thing to me): the interpreter. They told me that I have to pay the balance, which is about $2800. Other wise they will not sign the contract. China people are not that good, there is corruption in china, to some extend. It is my duty to pay for the wine they drank. With out that I will not get the order. I told I shall try with my credit card, if we can get the money you take. Otherwise, give me the order I shall pay for the party once I reach India. They took me to different places to withdraw money from my credit card. But they could not get money. They took me to Gold shops to buy gold but nothing was possible. From morning they were just running here and there but no avail. Our Bank refused to pay, that is what the information they got when they talk to the bank. ( later they told me that the American Express card cannot work in China as they don't have branches there). At last they went to Hotel Holidayinn, where they accepted my credit card , while paying my hotel advance. They tried there found that my card is damaged by then. They wanted me to try westernUnion money transfer. I was in touch with my office via SMS through mobile, (SIM card I purchased after reaching Zhengzhou) . My wife become upset like any thing. She was running around asking help from all possible sources so that she can help me. For her, any amount of money is not a problem , but I should come back. She tried to help me in all possible ways. WesternUnion money transfer not possible from India, But possible from other countries.

I was also worried now what to do . I cannot even come back . No food during day. I told them, they have to give me money to go back. They ( 3 of them Zhang, Gou Chou, Andy ) were with me till late night.

My wife managed it by arranging $ 3300 from Shajan Thomas in USA. WesternUnion Money transfer can transfer money to any person with address proof. Mr. Shajan Thomas from Ohao, USA, called me on my mobile, with help of his Chinese friend, he talked with Gou Chou. He was satisfied by Gou Chou telling about his company and the about the situation. Mr. Shajan send $3300 on 25-Oct2007 to Mr. Nie Peng ( mob no.0086-13733183925 ) a new person introduced by Shi Cheng Zhang for receiving the money.

on 26-Oct2007 morning They got the money, through WesternUnion money transfer. They gave me $500 for my expense. Contract is signed a copy is given to me. There was one more contract for a four member group to visit India. We should invite them to India for the inspection of our products before shipping, and all the expense they will pay in advance.

Gou Chou, Shi Chen Zhang along with Nie Peng (Now act as translator) took me to the Zhengchou Airport and left.

I came back successfully on 27-Oct2007 with the contract for Exporting of our equipment worth 1.4 Cr in Indian Rupees.


As per the terms of the contract they must give advance down payment to us , so that we can start the production of the equipment they needed, They were suppose to send the 35% advance in 8 working days. Our job started. We ordered for materials required for the production of the our items. Gave advance payments, we need to complete our shipment in 100 days. as we agreed. We started our job.

But the Advance never reached. When we contacted on 31-Oct2007 they told they need $3000 to make exchange charges to the Banker. We told we cannot do it. And told them to reduce that money when they send the T/T to us. From the advance amount But they insisted they cannot reduce any money from the advance payment. We kept on asking for the advance payment, We required it , as we have invested for the production. we felt that there can be some bad intentions, but they called us, discussed with Shi Chen Zhang with the help of Allen and confirmed that this happens in china and with out that payment they are unable to release the advance payment. We wanted the money badly as we invested lot of money already. After confirmation over e mail , We send on 14-Nov2007 that amount also as T/T on the name , bank account and address they gave us.

Name: ZHOU JIAN MEI, A/C No.600966020030152.
BANK OF CHINA ZHENGZHOU WENHUA BRANCH
His ADDRESS: HENEN SHENG ZHU MA DIAN SHI QUE SHAN XIAN

They confirmed that they received the money on 16-Nov2007. But after that they are not available on net or on telephone. The person whom we were contacting ( Mr.Allen) has switched off his mobile. The land line available is picked up by some body who does not understand English. When we contacted through some of our friends in china they are telling that are going to visit India and then only they are going to release the payment. We feel they are not giving the truth.

Their Web Site http://www.hnfutian.com is still there. But now they have stared one more website with the same matter but in a different name http://hn-jianye.com. The 1st Alibaba page created in the name of Allen HENAN FUTIAN INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO.LTD http://www.alibaba.com/company/100093679.html. The second page was in the name of Andy Zhang Henan Futian international Commerce & Trade Co., Ltd, http://www.alibaba.com/company/100195623.html, but later it is changed to some other name. The address is also changed to Beijing. Now they are available in a different name and address. May be looking for some other party.

Even now I am not able to convince my self that they were cheating me. Because of the type of treatment they gave me except the dinner party payment. Every thing was of good .


7 People

1. SHU KUN ZHENG(45yrs): Vice President
2. XING YU WANG(45yrs): : Director
3. SHI CHENG ZHANG(45yrs): : Import manager Mob +86 13938296752
4. CHENG BIN LI(45yrs): : Financial Manager
5. ANDY ZHANG(25yrs): : Import Assistant Mob +86 13608673844?
andy_futian@yahoo.com.cn
6. GUO ZHOU CHEN(30yrs): : Secretary Mob +86 13526825442
7. ALLEN REN(25yrs): . Purchase director Mob +86 13526825445

8. Nie Peng : for WesturnUnion Mob: +8613733183925

Date

Their first mail on 18-sep2007
They Sent invitation on 27-sep2007
Mathew Reached in Zhengzhou , China on 22-Oct2007
Contract signed on 24-Oct2007.
Their dinner party Expense US$3,500.00
Again they wanted $3,000 on 31-Oct2007
We sent on 14-Nov2007 by T/T
Name: ZHOU JIAN MEI, A/C No.600966020030152.
BANK OF CHINA ZHENGZHOU WENHUA BRANCH
His ADDRESS: HENEN SHENG ZHU MA DIAN SHI QUE SHAN XIAN
They got $3,000 on 16-Nov2007
Last contact 23-Nov2007. then GUO ZHOU CHEN: said 35%advance will send
before 3-Dec2007.
After 3-Dec2007 they didn't attending phone.
Our total Expense $3,500+$3,000+our expense $2,500=US$10,000

Please help for recover our money.

Their Address
HENAN FUTIAN INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO.,LTD (Henan China Futian International
commerce & trade Co. Ltd.)
Tel:+86-371-63752882 Fax:+86-371-63752992 New Fax: +86-371-6339 6203
Add: No.330(72) Longhai Road, Agricultural Road and Nanyang Road
intersection
Zhengzhou, Henan 450000, China
Web: www.hnfutian.com http://www.hn-jianye.com/

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Yours faithfully,
Mathew George
Thodukonics,
Azad Road, Kaloor
Kochi, Kerala, INDIA
Zip- 682017 Phone +91 484 2340209, +91 9422145307
www.thodukonics.com
email : email@thodukonics.com
Messenger MSN : thodukonics@hotmail.com
Skype : thodukonics, QQ904451263

Their locations
from satellite picture
futian buildings HERE

Agricultural Road and Nanyang Road intersection, office may be HERE

longhai road HERE

Hotel holidayinn HERE

Zhengzhou police Station ErQi Road Phone +86-371-66222023, 0086-371-65952573
HERE

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World Law's lawyers could also probably intervene and help resolve this if need be. You may email them on the home page.


WLD can contact them in China for you; or even send people to their offices.

e-mailed on home page

fraud

no way

Details attached in a PDF file Please download from
www.thodukonics.com/Futian3.pdf

From,
Mathew George
Thodukonics,
Azad Road, Kaloor
Kochi, Kerala, INDIA
Zip- 682017 Phone +91 484 2340209, +91 9422145307

Opposite Client
HENAN FUTIAN INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO.,LTD (Henan China Futian International
commerce & trade Co. Ltd.)
Tel:+86-371-63752882 Fax:+86-371-63752992 New Fax: +86-371-6339 6203
Add: No.330(72) Longhai Road, Agricultural Road and Nanyang Road
intersection
Zhengzhou, Henan 450000, China
Web: www.hnfutian.com

It is hard to find a reliable company to do biz with

ITS NOT HARD to find a company to deal with, you jut have to have some streetwise common sense about you and actually go to china and visit, lay your ground rules to the company before you visit, and visit trade shows. this is how all the big buyers do it, if you think you can just sit on your arse, read trade portals, visit alibaba etc and become a millionaire in 1 year you are in for a massive shock. The chinese market is one of the most volatile markets in the world, it also happens to be home to the main concentration of forgery and corrupt companies int he world, add in the Chinese triads (the worlds largest and oldest criminal organization) and you have yourself an endless list off possible outcomes...most bad unless you know what you are doing.

if you want real help in china, i am their regularly and will find you the supplier you need, we only ever transfer money through our HSBC accounts and have all receiving companies audited and checked before sending payments, we never send via western union or any other untraceable methods.

My company specializes in sourcing, supply and distribution of products bought from countries foreign to ours. Our company operates a very streetwise and tough attitude with suppliers...if they want our business they WILL please us or we go somewhere else. We are based in Liverpool, england, one of europes fastest growing cities and also a very streetwise place. We will never be conned by foreign crooks!

email me mark@mjdinternational . com for more information.

no risk, no earnings

I have lauthing for whole story!)) It's awsome child cheating!

Dear sir from India, do you have your own brain or what? You should go to Russia to understand what is real cheating, not of these Chinese games...

But if i should be serios, then i will tell you that never payment allowede until money is recieved. YOu shouldn't buy any material for your electrical shemes before you get advance! And you should to check company before make any deals with them.

And one more thing - learn Pinin, if you want to work with Chaina! Or get own translater!