China scam on tradekey

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Originally Posted by Anthony Hope A good way to not get scammed on sites like that is to A: Check out there website. A fake company either wont have a website or they may have one but it's pretty easy to verify their information, and in my experience the site isn't complete if their scamming. B: always get multiple contact sources, and verify them all. C:Talk to them by phone. It may cost you more but really theres no person behind the screen until you talk to them, and it also allows to be able to contact them immediately if you have any doubts about whats going on. Plus if it's a scam they most likely won't have a phone number at all for you to contact them.

All good points, Anthony.

However, sadly there's an issue with the telephone concept, and that is the xiaolingtong numbers.

A xiaolingtong telephone number is a actually a very cheap number registered to a mobile device, but doesn't have the lengthy number of a mobile, and appears to be a land or fixed line number.

So, once a number has been thoroughly abused, the scammer, can simply register another for the equivalent of a few dollars or euros, and start the whole scam again without the hassle of past scammees calling and asking for their goods or money.

Therefore, a xiaolingtong number is used by the scammer with the idea of built in redundancy, and the understanding that he or she will have to buy another one a little further down the line.

I have found scammers here in China who use genuine company's credentials, address, etc. on their website, and of course, a xiaolingtong number (and so appear to have genuine backlinks to their website, or be a branch of the original parent company).

Of course, they can look quite real to those who don't have experience of these issues.

This idea of planned redundancy, is also something they do with their bank accounts.

I refer you to the following article: China's Money Mules - And Why You've Lost It For Good | The Safely Sourcing China Blog written by myself, on the subject of why once you lose your money here the chances of ever seeing it again are about zero, and entitled: China Scam – Money Mules – And Why You Will Never See Your Money Again.

I recommend readers here to take the time to understand the concept of Money Mules in China and xiaolingtong telephone numbers, as a means of getting a good handle on just what your risks are.

We were scammed by a company called chinakeel or chinakeela.com. They did send us an item however it was substantially less value than what we ordered. To put it simply instead of getting a ps3 and plasma tv we got a pair of shoes. please do not buy from these scammers. They will rip you off!!!!.

Originally Posted by Unregistered I am about to buy goods worth 1200 USD via ALIBABA. Company name is : Hefei Xinzhan Zone Qitian Mobile Phone Wholesale Department Company Looks like genuine. But they do not have website. I called and spoke to one of their member of staff. do you guys think its a SCAM too??? Anyone ???

Contact Person: Mr. tong Deng (Marketing Director)
Company: Bay Notebook International Trade Co., Ltd
Address: 45 daxue road, wuzhou, GUANGXI, china
Zip/Postal: 543002
Telephone: 86-774 -2201936
Fax: 86-0150-60379369
http://www1.tradekey.com/profile_view/uid/3238161/Bay-Notebook-International-Trade-Co-Ltd.htm
Bay Notebook International Trade Co., Ltd

SCAM me 2000usd

Sounds like what happened to me, Paid for l apple iphone but his min order was 10ps and said l will do 1pc as l needed it for a sample, After l paid him with moneygram he email me and said that they sent out 10pcs instead of 1 pc and l had to pay for the rest before he gave me a tracking number for the postage, Didnt pay him and didnt hear from him since.
Could be the same guy with different info,
His info is if it helps you is
Garry Banner uk
trade 44 ltd
Tel: +447024098554
Mobile:+447024047760

[globotronik]

Hi, I have just been SCAMMED by a "company" that sells cell phones, laptops, and all that kind of stuff. The web page is WWW.THETOPELECTRONIC.COM, and the email address is kyle8008@hotmail.com. I bought more than a thousand dollars in iphones, and as all china fraud they didn't arrived. They gave me a tracking number for EMS shipping company, the tracking number was original but it was a tracking number to another place. They told me at the beginning that they were a serious business and that they wanted a long term business with me an all that bull**** they say to everybody. This was my first time making business with someone in china via internet. I have a small electronic business in Colombia (south America) and my suppliers were always from the States (very serious and punctual), but the prices weren't as cheap as the electronics of this fake china company. So I wanted to try with this china companies, that they say they have cheap electronics because the assembled factory of Mac, nokia, blackberry is in china, BULL****!!! DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS CHINA STORY!!

Listen people we have to do something and we can, they are thousands of people who have been scammed just like me and you. We need to build a big community against these thieves that plays with our moral and trust. I’m looking forward to make kind of a web page, a huge database with the names and address of these thieves, a place where people around the world can not only place their experience, but also start thinking of taking some action against this frauds. For example, contact big electronic companies like Mac, Nokia, Sony, etc and ask them where they have their assembled factories and stuff like that, so we can’t be cheated with fake info from the scammers, It’s time to make difference against this people who scam good and honest people around the world.

My email is globotronik@gmail.com; I’m open to ideas, question, everything, anyone who wants to write me, go ahead, let start making some changes. I speak English and Spanish. Let’s build a world solid community.

Thanks

my advice to you is, don't purchase anythings from them, i have an bad experience from this company. once they get your money, they will not provide you any product or reply you. Keep away of this company

Originally Posted by Unregistered I WAS SCAMMED BY A "CHINA BASED TRADER" BUT I FOUND HIS WEB SITES ARE CONNECTED OVER AND OVER, SAME ADDRESS, SAME PHONE NUMBERS, ETC. THEY START PRETTY WELL, ACTUALLY SENDING THE FIRST LITTLE ORDER WITH NO PROBLEM, BUT WHEN YOU DECIDE TO GO FOR MORE, THEY WILL TELL YOU THE USSUAL LIE: THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CUSTOMS, YOUR ORDER IS BLOCKED THERE. THEY WILL RECOMEND YOU TO USE EMS, INSTEAD OF UPS OR FEDEX, AND WAIT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. THEY WILL TELL YOU, THEY WILL PAY FOR CUSTOMS PENALTIES, AND EVERYTHING. BUT AFTER THAT, YOU WILL BE BLOCKED ON THE MESSENGER AND NEVER RESPOND YOUR MAILS. I LOST OVER 3,500 USD, SO I REALLY NEED TO WARNING YOU ABOUT THIS CROOKS! THIS ARE THE WEB SITES: XIAMEN ELECTRONIC Co, Ltd. www.ecvv.com Herui Import & Export Co., Ltd. www.vip-supplier.com www.vip-nike.com all of them under this info: Company Address: NO 47 Fengze Street High Technology Area Quanzhou City , Fujina P.R. China City/Province: Quanzhou/Fujian Country/Region:China Zip/Postal Code: 362121 Telephone Number: 86-595-28116768 Fax Number: 86-595-28099661 E-mail &MSN: vip-supplier@hotmail.com or herui666@hotmail.com Contact Person: Mr. Ronny Lin or Lin Ronny PERSONALLY, IM GOING THERE TO "SOLVE" THIS SITUATION. NO MORE SCAMMERS ON LINE! JIM COLEMAN

Never ever do business with China internet trading website in my life anymore, no more this kind of problem happen to me anymore.

hello ,the scam seller is max.chen <fox-kix@hotmail.com> he won't post the items on right time,he usually post them 1-2 weeks later. often he sent wrong item or won't sent all item you have order. And he even won't tell you that he have post only several items .you see it when you have recive them.and then he won't answer your mail or go offline in msn.And won't give all you money back for you.
so don't order from him.he is scam

Hello! everybody, Chinakeela is scam! stay away from this so called company! I paid $400 for an item, they shipped me another otem of about a $100 value! I paid through paypal! now my case is between my bank and paypal! pay[al does nothing as long as the scammer has a tracking number in their system! that is very stupd and invitation to scammers! I see now this damn scamming company does not accept paypal any more! please stay away from those scammers!

[soulz9]

Is this company a scam?

is this company a scam:

Company Name: Hefei Xinzhan Zone Qitian Mobile Phone Wholesale Department
Street Address: Baizhou Road
City: Hefei
Province/State: Anhui
Country/Region: China
Zip: 230011
Telephone: 86-551-15056937166
Website: http://qitian.en.alibaba.com
[Hefei Xinzhan Zone Qitian Mobile Phone Wholesale Department - Mobile Phone, Telecommunications Products, Electronic Products]

Please reply soon anyone. I've talked to them to buy a computer graphics card sample. I'm ordering 2 of them they told me to pay full price. After I called them on that number, they told me okay pay half price, and then the other half after I receive the package.

So it is urgent. Thank you in advance.