China scam on tradekey

I am about to buy goods worth 1200 USD via ALIBABA.

Company name is : Hefei Xinzhan Zone Qitian Mobile Phone Wholesale Department

Company Looks like genuine. But they do not have website.

I called and spoke to one of their member of staff.


do you guys think its a SCAM too???


Anyone ???

[mwgman]

Agogo Trading Ltd a Gold Key Member scammed me out of 360.00 USD. Paid for a Laptop and got a wallet and Cell Phone. Anyone know how to fight back?

[mwgman]

Be careful and do not send full payment in advance. Half now and half when product is received. Negotiate and make them realize you are not going to send money sight unseen.
If they won't do it then it could be a scam. Just be careful.

[yctp]

Originally Posted by Unregistered I am about to buy goods worth 1200 USD via ALIBABA. Company name is : Hefei Xinzhan Zone Qitian Mobile Phone Wholesale Department Company Looks like genuine. But they do not have website. I called and spoke to one of their member of staff. do you guys think its a SCAM too??? Anyone ???

I wouldn't touch them, as they have no website of their own, and have only 2 mentions in Google, one of them being your request here, and the other at Alibaba.

Really, the people here never learn, do you.

You're all just rape victims, openly giving yourselves to scammers.

What are you after? A couple of cheap mobile phones?

You may as well open your window and throw your money out into the street, as you'd derive more satisfaction from that than you will being cheated.

And understand this, people of the forum, that when you lose your money to scammers in this manner then you'll never see it again.

I refer you to the following pages:

China’s Money Mules – And Why You’ve Lost It For Good | The Safely Sourcing China Blog

Games Consoles, XBOX, iPhone Products From China | The Safely Sourcing China Blog

Parallel or Grey Importing And The Scammers Behind It | The Safely Sourcing China Blog

Trading Safely With China | The Safely Sourcing China Blog

What Can Happen If You Lose On A Deal In China? | The Safely Sourcing China Blog

EC Technology Group Co.,Ltd.
Email: Linda@echtec.com webmaster@echtec.com echtecsales@gmail.com donswl@gmail.com
MSN:lindamakey@hotmail.com
Skype: Jasonchan133
Tel:86-755-21923182,88366923,88362832
Fax:86-755-88362832
Websites:
www.echtec.com
www.ectech-international.com
Com.ADD:607,Block A,Tian An Cyber Times plaza,Futian District Shenzhen City,Guangdong Province,China
Factory 1:No.5 Xifa, Block C, Yintian Industrial Estate, Xixiang Town,Nan Shan District, Shenzhen City,518000,China
Factory 2:H-6 Floor,Yihua Industrial Estate, Dakan, Nan Shan District, Shenzhen City, 518000, China

I have paid a sample through WU, never received anything

Isn't there a way to hold TradeKey.com responsible for this fraud. Fraudulent buyers in Chine have been complained about on that site since 2006. Why can't sellers bring criminal or civil charges against the site?

[zodiac]

www.lakesportshoes.com (sports shoes)

is a fraud company, i paid them on 3 of August to buy two laptops.
for 15 days now they gave me two fake EMS tracking numbers....tracking this package EE095997990CN been delivered in USA.......and am in Cyprus.......they said they sent it again on 15 of August but........NOTHING TO PROVE THEY SENT ANYTHING TO ME (no shipping papers no invoice paid to EMS) even i asked them 10 times they gave me this number EE095998010CN which for 3 days is still in Shangay. I have talk to everybody in that company - Sandy - Mr Allen - Ms Lynn- they all ignored me......been rude to me......and until now i have nothing .
I reported them to Fraudwatch and waiting to see if they do anything.

by the way that company is a GOLD MEMBER OF TRADEKEY.
Thanks
George
Finally the package with EMS No EE095998010CN was delivered to me and is containing a.......pair of shoes!!
When i talk to them they told me: TRUST US.....is misapprehend !!
Meanwhile Fraudwatchers had suspended there website on Tradekey.
Keep out !!
George
today 28 of August...Mr Allen of Lake sport shoes co., ltd told me that we are not in china any more we move to....Hong Kong.....so.no legal action against them......my money are gone!!
Common punks....cheaters
if any buyers are waiting any goods to be delivered.am sorry for them too.


be careful
today 31 of August Mr Allen talk to me on MSN ..........asking me to retracked all from tradekey and 'HE WILL SENT ME A LAPTOP' without doing anything to convist me..also he sent an email to Fraudwatchers telling them he sent me my order and asking to stop been suspended !! CHEATING WITH FRAUDWATCH TOO!! Fraudwatch ask me and i answer NO WAY.
From what i have seen nobody is afraid Frauwatchers.......there is not much they can do but to suspend there website.........so? they use another and going on cheating.....Tradekey can not protect people trading under there organisation from fraud companys like Lake sport shoes co., ltd and punks like Allen and Sandy and Ms Lynn. i decided NOT TO TRADE ANYMORE WITH ANY COMPANY ON TRADEKEY.
They are back on Tradekey with a new name and new company Long well trade company but SAME WEBSITE..... THERE mail:longwellceo@hotmail .com .....THEY ARE STILL CHEATING PEOPLE AND TREATING CUSTOMERS LIKE PUNKS...........STAY AWAY!!

this man scam me for 2000 usd. took my money fake tracking number and never sent product.

wholesale.uk@hotmail.com is his e-mail address name is Taro Jestiung

western union info i got was:

city :PUTIAN CITY ,
province:FUJIAN,CHINA
(First name): SHAO NIAN
(Last name): CHEN

i sent money no items no reply to e-mails it has been one month,

if anyone else here knows this dude e-mail me asap at roc23nvy@hotmail.com

[Anthony Hope]

A good way to not get scammed on sites like that is to A: Check out there website. A fake company either wont have a website or they may have one but it's pretty easy to verify their information, and in my experience the site isn't complete if their scamming. B: always get multiple contact sources, and verify them all. C:Talk to them by phone. It may cost you more but really theres no person behind the screen until you talk to them, and it also allows to be able to contact them immediately if you have any doubts about whats going on. Plus if it's a scam they most likely won't have a phone number at all for you to contact them.

[yctp]

Originally Posted by Unregistered this man scam me for 2000 usd. took my money fake tracking number and never sent product. wholesale.uk@hotmail.com is his e-mail address name is Taro Jestiung western union info i got was: city :PUTIAN CITY , province:FUJIAN,CHINA (First name): SHAO NIAN (Last name): CHEN i sent money no items no reply to e-mails it has been one month, if anyone else here knows this dude e-mail me asap at roc23nvy@hotmail.com

China Scam – Money Mules – And Why You Will Never See Your Money Again.

I’d like to point out to you, in very clear and marked terms, just why it is you will never see your money again, should you happen to lose to a scam in China; particularly those of you who lose money to companies whilst trying to buy iPhones, Nintendo, etc.

Money Mules: that is, getting other people to transfer funds through their personal bank accounts, as a means of laundering it to a final destination.

Only this week, I discover, through certain of my contacts here in China, the reason you won’t ever see your money again is based on similar grounds.

Here is how it works:

There are approximately 300 million agricultural workers in China, and approximately 40 million migrant workers travelling from city to city in attempts to find some kind of living. So, no shortage of potential mules!

A quick review of salaries in China may provide you with a glimpse at the motivation behind the actions I’m about to describe.

In 2007 the average farmer in China earned around 4,140 RMB (Yuan) or approximately $605 USD per annum; the average salary for a construction worker in China is approximately 1, 064 RMB (Yuan) or $122 USD per month; whilst the average factory worker is earning around 1,100 RMB (Yuan) or $ 160 USD per month.

As can be seen, by the above figures, the 300 million farmers in the agricultural sector earn less than 30% of what construction and factory workers can earn in a year.

This fact is widely known in China, and it is to this sector of the community that the scammers go with their offer.

So, what is their offer?

It’s very simple, actually.

They say to the peasant farmer, something along the lines of, “Look we have all these foreign clients, but we don’t want to pay tax and stuff, and so we need an alternative account for the funds to be transferred to, as a means of avoiding the tax. You open a bank account for us using your ID, our foreign clients transfer funds to it, and then move the funds on to another account, the details of which we’ll give you (usually Taiwan); and we’ll pay you a nice fat commission, and you and your family will be much better off. Your child will be able to go to a better school, and then on to university, and the whole future of your family will be changed for the better – forever.”

Of course, from Taiwan, the money is then transferred to other destinations.

So, the peasant, knowing a good thing when he or she sees or hears one; and who is always willing to make extra money for the family, says, “HaoDe!” or “HaoLe!” (Good! or Fine with me!).

I mean, why wouldn’t they? People in the West do exactly this when they get involved in fake cheque scams, and act as money mules for a variety of mafias.

In actuality, the Chinese peasant farmer, quite probably has a better excuse than the greedy money-grabbing buggers in the West, who regularly sign up for this kind of business, as their lifestyles are a millennia apart, and is clearly documented and attested by many more than myself.

So, personally speaking, I can’t really blame them; you make your own decision on that.

Anyway, of course, eventually the whole thing gets tumbled, and the account closes, and the scammers recruit another peasant farmer, and start the whole operation again, with barely a blip in their action.

The previous peasant farmer account holder is questioned by the police, and the police learn nothing, as the peasant farmer was him or herself duped anyway, and has absolutely no idea of the true identities of the people they’ve been dealing with.

And, naturally, a physical description isn’t going to help much.

I understand that to many foreigners, everyone may look the same here, but, that isn’t true, of course. People here do have very distinct personal physical attributes.

However, without wishing to sound racist, and by sticking to reality, whether it pleases us to do so or not, the general physical characteristics are certainly much of a muchness; in as much as hair, skin, and eye colour, or whether he or she looked like an East European, had a certain Latino appearance, or shocking red hair and green eyes.

I mean, can you imagine the interrogation of the peasant?

Policeman 1: So, what did this man look like?

Peasant: Well, he was maybe 30 years old, about 5 feet 6 inches, had short black hair, yellow skin, slanted dark brown eyes, and a wide or flat nose.

Policeman 1: O.K., So we can rule out all the women and men under 30 years of age in the country. That just leaves the rest of the population. Hold on! What Kind of accent did he have?

Peasant: He sounded like he came from Henan Province to me.

Policeman 1: Ah ha! From Henan you say. Well, that’s a lucky break for us, as there are only 100 million people in Henan. So, if we discount all the women, that brings us to about 70 million males.

O.K. that’s god, that’s good… Then we discount those under 30 years of age. and those above 40 years of age… Let me see… Yes…, that leaves us with only… Great Scott! Only 21,000,000 men to search through; By George! We’re on to them now. You can tell Mr. Stupid Bugger in England, that we’ll soon have his $300 dollars back for him.

Policeman 2: But, Sir. What if the perpetrator doesn’t live in Henan anymore, and is living… well… …somewhere else in China?

Policeman 1: Damn it, Caruthers, you’re right! Stop that telegram to Mr. Stupid bugger in England. Now, (He paces the room thoughtfully, clenched fist, arms folded and thumb to top teeth, looking into nothingness on the floor before him) Mmmm… yes… Yes, this really puts the cat amongst the pigeons. I think this may take a little longer than I at first thought.

And that’s it basically.

A Submarine In Your Bathtub

That’s why, if you lose your money here, the chances of you ever seeing it again, are about the same as you taking a bath, and a nuclear submarine surfacing in it, raking you with machine-gun fire, stealing your rubber duck, submerging, and then going back to base for debriefing, a plate of hot and crispy cod and chips (fries) with brown sauce, washed down with a warm cup of hot cocoa, and all before bed-time.

Now, if you’re sensible, then you’ll go back to the OLD FASHIONED WAY of doing things, and hire an agent, like me, to protect your interests, and to ensure that you don’t find yourself taking a bath with a submarine.

The choice is yours. You’ve been warned. Again!

Safe Trading!

You can read the original and similar articles here: China's Money Mules - And Why You've Lost It For Good | The Safely Sourcing China Blog