all people from china are crookes

all people from china are crookes

certitude

that is riduculous

just make sure you do "due diligence" before you start business

Don't talk about people, talk about behaviors.....

there are crooks in every country and obviously China has great people generally

just do your business with good and prudent diligence

That isn't really true at all. One can't judge a whole nation based on one's experience with only one or two people.

However, on the other hand, I can say, after having lived in China now for 8 years, that I do come across a lot of chicanery and double-dealing. More so than in any other country I have either visited or lived in.

However, this has it's roots deep in Chinese history, and which have now, over time, become a cultural aspect in and of themselves.

China, has historically been a nation of struggle. Where life has been cheaply valued, and the necessary measures on must take to ensure one's own, and one's family's survival have lowered the bar on what IS and ISN'T acceptable.

As another contributor has previously mentioned; you have a duty to yourself first, when dealing in an alien culture to which your access is limited only to the internet or telephone. That duty is called DUE DILIGENCE.

Before transmitting or handing over any funds, you have a duty to minimize your own risk by making all the possible inquiries you can into the background of the company you're proposing to deal with.

There are agencies such as my own who will perform DUE DILIGENCE for you; and then there are a wide range of OFFICIAL, as well as common sense, methods and approaches one can use.

For example:

The Ministry of Commerce to the Peoples Republic of China

Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China


Local Administration for Industry and Commerce

Company Search


Mediation Center of the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade

China Council For The Promotion Of International Trade


Internet Crime Complaints Center

Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home


Do A WhoIS Search on their Website

In the following example I have run a search on my own website to illustrate its' use.

The results are as follows, and I believe very helpful:

Front Page Information

Website Title: China Product Sourcing, Factory Auditing, Supplier Background Checking

Title Relevancy 87%

Meta Description: China Product Sourcing, Factory Auditing, Supplier Background Checking, and International Trade with China.

Relevancy: 91% relevant.

Meta Keywords: accessories, agro products, agro-products, apparel, bath, bidet, biometric, cement, ceramic tiles, china, china export products, china import, china imports, china import and export, china sourcing, chinese, clocks, clothes, computer memory, computers, customs agent, desktop, electrical goods, electronics, export, export agent, factory, faucet, finder, fittings, floor tiles, foodstuffs, hdd, import, importers, laminated board, lamps, laptops, lights, mdf, minerals, mobile telephones, notebooks, notepads, novelty goods, odm, oem, pipes, plumbing, plywood, portland cement, product, radios, shirts, shoes, shower, sink, sinks, skirts, socks, sourcing agent, taps, timber, toys, tools, trading in china, usb, wall tiles, wood, wood flooring, woollens

Relevancy: 25% relevant

SEO Score: 93%

Terms: 556 (Unique: 293, Linked: 83)

Images: 2 (Alt tags missing: 0)

Links: 31 (Internal: 29, Outbound: 2)

AboutUs: Wiki article on Yourchinatradingpartner.com

Indexed Data

Alexa Trend/Rank: #26,254,670: for the last three months.

Registry Data

ICANN Registrar: WEB COMMERCE COMMUNICATIONS LIMITED DBA WEBNIC.CC

Created: 2006-10-01

Expires: 2009-10-01

Updated: 2008-09-26

Registrar Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registrar Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrar Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Name Server: NS.OURHOST.COM.CN (has 6,395 domains)
Name Server: NS1.OURHOST.COM.CN (has 6,395 domains)
Whois Server: whois.webnic.cc

Server Data

Server Type: Microsoft-IIS/6.0

IP Address: 222.35.2.158 Whois | Reverse-IP | Ping | DNS Lookup | Traceroute
IP Location China - Beijing - Beijing - China Railway Telecommunications Center

Response Code: 200

Domain Status: Registered And Active Website

DomainTools Exclusive
Email Search: is associated with about 8,231 domains

Registrar History: 1 registrar

NS History: 1 change on 2 unique name servers over 3 years.

IP History: 3 changes on 4 unique name servers over 3 years.

Whois History: 6 records have been archived since 2007-11-23.

Monitor Domain: [Monitor this domain] Set Free Alerts on yourchinatradingpartner.com

Free Tool: Download DomainTools
Whois Record

Domain: yourchinatradingpartner.com
Status: Protected

DNS:
ns.ourhost.com.cn
ns1.ourhost.com.cn

Created: 2006-10-01 00:00:00

Expires: 2009-10-01 11:08:16

Last Modified: 2008-09-26 15:02:17

Registrant Contact:
nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi
zhijuan ji ()
beijing
huilongguan, , cn 102208
P: +86.10817278 F:

Administrative Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Technical Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Billing Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi
zhijuan ji ()
beijing
huilongguan, , cn 102208
P: +86.1081727890 F:

Administrative Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Technical Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Billing Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION!

But what is of direct importance and relevance to you, as a prospective buyer are the following and final sections of all of the above:

Registrant Contact:
nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi
zhijuan ji ()
beijing
huilongguan, , cn 102208
P: +86.1081727890 F:

The above is the company name of the the website in Chinese (Pinyin - the romanised form of the language) - nide zhongguo maoyi huoban youxian gongsi

Next is the owner or representative of the website's name: zhijuan ji (family name at the end here, but usually in spoken and daily Chinese the family name comes first) in this case, the site was registered by my wife - Ji Zhi Juan

Next is the city in in which we live: Beijing

Following that is the district or town in the city: HuiLongGuan

Following that is our PostCode: 102208

Then comes our telephone number preceded by country and area codes (Beijing (0)10): +86.1081727890

So, straight away you can see you have all the details you need to track us, or have a check run on us.

All of the following details are those to whom our ISP is registered and Hosted; including contact names, addresses, and telephone numbers of their representatives. Through these even more information can be garnered.

Administrative Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Technical Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Billing Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi
zhijuan ji ()
beijing
huilongguan, , cn 102208
P: +86.10817278 F:

Administrative Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Technical Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Billing Contact:
Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology
Lifu Zhang ()
Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District
Beijing, China, cn 100088
P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363

Finally, try not to deal with companies who don't have REAL email addresses, and go through gmail, yahoo, or hotmail addresses.

Well, I do hope this has opened your eyes a little, and demonstrated just what you can do for your own protection.

is that so???

That is not true.

It is a great nation and like all others has its bad people. You have to be careful like in all business.

[Motor-City-Sports]

How do you run this WhoIS Search on their Website your talking about?

[Motor-City-Sports]

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How do you run this WhoIS Search on their Website your talking about?

Mr. Stone

Originally Posted by Unregistered That isn't really true at all. One can't judge a whole nation based on one's experience with only one or two people. However, on the other hand, I can say, after having lived in China now for 8 years, that I do come across a lot of chicanery and double-dealing. More so than in any other country I have either visited or lived in. However, this has it's roots deep in Chinese history, and which have now, over time, become a cultural aspect in and of themselves. China, has historically been a nation of struggle. Where life has been cheaply valued, and the necessary measures on must take to ensure one's own, and one's family's survival have lowered the bar on what IS and ISN'T acceptable. As another contributor has previously mentioned; you have a duty to yourself first, when dealing in an alien culture to which your access is limited only to the internet or telephone. That duty is called DUE DILIGENCE. Before transmitting or handing over any funds, you have a duty to minimize your own risk by making all the possible inquiries you can into the background of the company you're proposing to deal with. There are agencies such as my own who will perform DUE DILIGENCE for you; and then there are a wide range of OFFICIAL, as well as common sense, methods and approaches one can use. For example: The Ministry of Commerce to the Peoples Republic of China Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China Local Administration for Industry and Commerce Company Search Mediation Center of the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade China Council For The Promotion Of International Trade Internet Crime Complaints Center Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home Do A WhoIS Search on their Website In the following example I have run a search on my own website to illustrate its' use. The results are as follows, and I believe very helpful: Front Page Information Website Title: China Product Sourcing, Factory Auditing, Supplier Background Checking Title Relevancy 87% Meta Description: China Product Sourcing, Factory Auditing, Supplier Background Checking, and International Trade with China. Relevancy: 91% relevant. Meta Keywords: accessories, agro products, agro-products, apparel, bath, bidet, biometric, cement, ceramic tiles, china, china export products, china import, china imports, china import and export, china sourcing, chinese, clocks, clothes, computer memory, computers, customs agent, desktop, electrical goods, electronics, export, export agent, factory, faucet, finder, fittings, floor tiles, foodstuffs, hdd, import, importers, laminated board, lamps, laptops, lights, mdf, minerals, mobile telephones, notebooks, notepads, novelty goods, odm, oem, pipes, plumbing, plywood, portland cement, product, radios, shirts, shoes, shower, sink, sinks, skirts, socks, sourcing agent, taps, timber, toys, tools, trading in china, usb, wall tiles, wood, wood flooring, woollens Relevancy: 25% relevant SEO Score: 93% Terms: 556 (Unique: 293, Linked: 83) Images: 2 (Alt tags missing: 0) Links: 31 (Internal: 29, Outbound: 2) AboutUs: Wiki article on Yourchinatradingpartner.com Indexed Data Alexa Trend/Rank: #26,254,670: for the last three months. Registry Data ICANN Registrar: WEB COMMERCE COMMUNICATIONS LIMITED DBA WEBNIC.CC Created: 2006-10-01 Expires: 2009-10-01 Updated: 2008-09-26 Registrar Status: clientDeleteProhibited Registrar Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrar Status: clientUpdateProhibited Name Server: NS.OURHOST.COM.CN (has 6,395 domains) Name Server: NS1.OURHOST.COM.CN (has 6,395 domains) Whois Server: whois.webnic.cc Server Data Server Type: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 IP Address: 222.35.2.158 Whois | Reverse-IP | Ping | DNS Lookup | Traceroute IP Location China - Beijing - Beijing - China Railway Telecommunications Center Response Code: 200 Domain Status: Registered And Active Website DomainTools Exclusive Email Search: is associated with about 8,231 domains Registrar History: 1 registrar NS History: 1 change on 2 unique name servers over 3 years. IP History: 3 changes on 4 unique name servers over 3 years. Whois History: 6 records have been archived since 2007-11-23. Monitor Domain: [Monitor this domain] Set Free Alerts on yourchinatradingpartner.com Free Tool: Download DomainTools Whois Record Domain: yourchinatradingpartner.com Status: Protected DNS: ns.ourhost.com.cn ns1.ourhost.com.cn Created: 2006-10-01 00:00:00 Expires: 2009-10-01 11:08:16 Last Modified: 2008-09-26 15:02:17 Registrant Contact: nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi zhijuan ji () beijing huilongguan, , cn 102208 P: +86.10817278 F: Administrative Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Technical Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Billing Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi zhijuan ji () beijing huilongguan, , cn 102208 P: +86.1081727890 F: Administrative Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Technical Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Billing Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION! But what is of direct importance and relevance to you, as a prospective buyer are the following and final sections of all of the above: Registrant Contact: nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi zhijuan ji () beijing huilongguan, , cn 102208 P: +86.1081727890 F: The above is the company name of the the website in Chinese (Pinyin - the romanised form of the language) - nide zhongguo maoyi huoban youxian gongsi Next is the owner or representative of the website's name: zhijuan ji (family name at the end here, but usually in spoken and daily Chinese the family name comes first) in this case, the site was registered by my wife - Ji Zhi Juan Next is the city in in which we live: Beijing Following that is the district or town in the city: HuiLongGuan Following that is our PostCode: 102208 Then comes our telephone number preceded by country and area codes (Beijing (0)10): +86.1081727890 So, straight away you can see you have all the details you need to track us, or have a check run on us. All of the following details are those to whom our ISP is registered and Hosted; including contact names, addresses, and telephone numbers of their representatives. Through these even more information can be garnered. Administrative Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Technical Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Billing Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 nidezhongguomaoyihuobanyouxiangongsi zhijuan ji () beijing huilongguan, , cn 102208 P: +86.10817278 F: Administrative Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Technical Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Billing Contact: Beijing Hongwang Shenzhou Technology Lifu Zhang () Room 415, 4th floor, Meijiang mansion Xicheng District Beijing, China, cn 100088 P: +86.1082012363 F: +86.1082012363 Finally, try not to deal with companies who don't have REAL email addresses, and go through gmail, yahoo, or hotmail addresses. Well, I do hope this has opened your eyes a little, and demonstrated just what you can do for your own protection.