yor.com/net fraud help pls get word out

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also, If yor.com was a scam why do they tell you when and where they will be.

And if it WASN'T a scam, why have so many people had so much trouble with it? Why has it gone through so many name changes? Why have so many reports been filed against it, and why have some people even been fortunate enough to receive refunds?

Heck, why did those people have to contact the Better Business Bureau and other organizations to get a refund if it's NOT a scam, hm?

Seems to me like you should be answering some questions before posing any of your own. Stop taking advantage of innocent people.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I went to one today at the New Yorker Hotel, across the street from Madison Square Garden. I noticed that those attending were very, very young. I know that should not mean anything but that is a red flag. They were all inner city-ish, again that should not mean anything. I commented to someone there it seems pyrimidish and she asked me what the hell is that. Again preying on the young and naive, and economically challenged youth is outright unethical. But as a child I learned this simple rule "Never pay to play!" They of course call it an
"investment" but asking someone to fork over $390 to participate from the get go is very eye brow raising. Plus, as I browse here to see the complaints, and the name changes, and someone saying all the hidden fees and traps is disheartening. Also the way someone from the pyramid regurgitating the same rhetoric from the presentation is very alarming. Now I have to duck the representatives trying to follow up on me will be challenging. Someone can you please post more info on the subject. If it is truly unethical, then we should try to bring this thing down. I can't help seeing all these kids get ripped off 'cause they're only crime is to be young and in need of money because they are born into low income families.

I definetly hear you on that man. Yor.com is a scam i met them 2 weeks ago in NYC. They have al lot of representives that are recruiting in a lot of hotspots in NYC this summer, i.e. Penn Station 34th St., 42nd st. Time Square...
While i was walking on 34th street, i met one of them who asked me if i knew anyone who was looking for a job. I said that i, myself was looking for one. They made me gave them my name in telphone#. When i asked them what type of work that they were offering, they told that they are a new company that are looking for office and clerical worker and people who can plan events or meeting. The only requirement they asked me was wether i was at least 18 years old (i'm nineteen i said). From right at this moment i thought something was wrong. First of all, among all the people that were walking around them why did they choose me? Second of all i could a new company looking for people to do office work for them and plan events and meetings, be interested in a nineteen yr old?

They called me later that day and gave me an appointment and their address. Since i need a job for this summer i went to the address they told me. When i got to the place, i found out the company did not have any office in the building. I called one of the representatives, he told me that i had to wait in front so that someone could walk me to the meeting place. After a while a guy guided me to the meeting place which was a restaurant. That's another weird point (no legal business would have a recruiting meeting in a restaurant that it doesn't own). All the people in the meeting looked like they were in the late teens or early twenties. I sat down with the guy who walked me and we talked while i was waiting for Mr Mondelice ( a supposedly rich young guy). He told me a little bit about the company and all and told me about a bunch of young guys who had big positions and were making millions. He also told me how i shook shake the recruiter's (Mondelice) hand once i meet him (that's another weird thing). He kept on saying that i would be lucky if i could meet Mr X or Mr Y because they've succeded in the business and could give me a lot of good advice.

After some minutes, Mr. Mondelice finally came. Another guy came announce this to me; he was very nervous and his hands and voice were shaking while he spoke to me. That same guy advised me to take notes while Mondelice talks to show him that i'm serious. It was three of us who had to meet Mondelice, me, an 18yr old guy who said he worked at a JP Morgan chase bank, and a girl. Mondelice asked each one of us to tell him about ourselves. Then he talked about himself and how he became part of Yorvoice. He said that he liked to work on cars. He went to a mechanic technical school but did not make much money with that. While he mentioned that i asked him why didn't he go to college instead and try to get a degree in mechanical engineering instead he told me some stuff but did not answer my question. After that he showed us on his laptop how the business works. He told us that Yorvoice offered telephone serivices different from the usual phones VoIp types of phones he didn't even explained how these phone opereate, all he said was that they bring internet and telephone together. He told us about residual income and how we would get paid. First we would have to pay an beginning fee; and to start getting income we need to sell the service to at least two people then we can get 10 to 14% of what these customers pay every month. And if we get other people to join the Yorvoice, we would also get bonuses every time they sold the servce. As long as the customers are paying we would be getting a residual income and bonus and we would have to do little work. All that stuff he show us on his laptop.

Then, he sent me to this guy whose supposed to help me fill out my application. The guy started out by asking if i was serious about getting into the business. I told him i was. Then he said i would have to pay $390 upfront to get started. I told him i did not have a credit card and that i did not have that much money on my checking account for me to use my debit and pay him. He asked me if i was sure. I told him i had check the balance on my account and that i was sure i didn't have it. He asked me again; i told him the same thing. He asked if i was sure then told me that if i could get registered before the other two people that are starting up, i would have an advantage over them. He added that i should better contact the bank and confirm that. I called the bank and confirmed that i did not have all that money to give up front. Even though i told him he kept on pressuring me into finding the money to give him by suggesting that i call my father or a friend to bring me the money so that i could have the "advantage" over the other beginners. Finally i asked him if i could still fill out an application then i would try to find the money in a couple of days and pay him. He said he could not do it. Then he asked this guy who is from the same country that i am to talk to me, i told him the situation then he said he would fill out an application for me, take my debit card info, then once i have the money in my checking i would contact him so that he could process my application with the begining fee. I was glad this registration process was over, i felt so pressured!

Then he sent me to this guy whose supposed to train me. The guy explained to me how much i should charge customers and how i have to create my account on yor. com. He mentioned that i would also have to organize a team. While he was the talking the restaurant was gonna close. So we went and sat at this deli store to finish training. Then i left, they were having another meeting on the following day. They told me that during this second meeting, that's when i'll really understand how to become rich in the business.

After the meeting while on the subway going back home i realized how foolished i was to give those guys my debit card info; i realized that i was pressured into doing it. As soon as i got home i googled the company's name and found out that it was all a scam, a pyramid scheme. I reasearched the voIp type of phone service on wikipedia and found out that it had a lot of flaws that are still being worked out, like you can diall 911 on these phones, and strangers might be able to read your conversation on the internet very easily. This means that i would have a hard time selling this product and the only way that i would be able to make some money would be by recruiting more people to become Yorvoice members. That's exactly the characteristic of a pyramid sheme. In addition, i read some of people's complaints and bad experiences about Yorvoice on ripoffereport.com. To be more precise, Yorvoice's scam is based on an "8 ball pyramide model" ( see wikipedia "pyramid scheme"). Only a few people at the top of the pyramid succeed...After all that reaserch i called my bank and told them to stop my debit card and i added an addidtional password for anyone trying to access my account. I also look up "Multi level Marketing" the difference between MLM models of business and a pyramid scheme is that companies with MLM models of business usually askes for a low registration fee (much lower than $390).

The following day, i called the guy who filled my application and told him i could not find the money and that i was quiting and he could discard my application.

This was my story with Yorvoice communication, i feel bad for not going to the other meeting and try to the other beginners about all the bad stuff i found on yorvoice. The thing is i was afraid that they might have pressured me into doing other stupid stuff to take my money. One strange ( and funny) thing is that, in the application papper that they make you fill out to register, in the small print, they mention it themself that 78.5% of people doing the business are likely to fail and loose their money and by signing the papers, you're not making them liable for your lost. They gave me a copy of this paper along with my application after i signed it but i only saw this failure rate the following day when i took time to read it thoroughly. The guy who was helping me out never mentioned this stuff to me while i was signing the papers, he just said something. They are reall scumbags.

So if you know any mean to stop those crooks i'll be glad to help. I tought of just calling the cops on them, but i think i gotta find some other court-type office that can stop them through some legal action. They should be punishing and jailed for giving misleading information and for abusing people's innocence.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I want to get my money back but do not know how to get my money. Can anyone helme?

You can try to complain on the "Better Business Bureau"'s website or file a lawsuit against them in a small claims court, cause these scums are really afraid of any legal stuff; they've been caught before when they use to go by the name "2by2.net."

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The whole thing works! and don't let those posting otherwise trick you. Legit legit legit it worked for me!

Your saying this because your part of it and they BRAINEDWASHED you with they QUICK MONEY promises. But have you done any research on your own? Try this for size go to ripoffreport.com and read all the complaints about Yorvoice or Yor.com, look up " PYRAMID SCHEME" in wikipedia.org. Don't even think about the "Multi level Marketing" thing that some people use as a cover up for the "PYRAMID SCHEME" Yor.com is running. A normal legal company that uses a Multi level Marketing model would never asked for people to pay all that money ($390) up-front as a stating fee. Finally look up "VoIp" in wikipedia.org and you'll see all the things wrong with the "VoIp" type of telephone service. ( i.e. you can't dial 911 with it and people can see what your saying over the phone very easily). That means the only way your gonna be able to make any money is by recruiting other people.

Hope your not too BRAINWASHED to have the courage and look up all these websites and words i told you.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Okay let’s educate a few of you. Yor.com is a Multi-level marketing company. Multi-level marketing (MLM) is a business model that combines direct marketing with franchising. Multi-level marketing businesses function by recruiting salespeople (also called Distributors, Independent Business Owners, IBOs, Franchise Owners, Sales Consultants, Beauty Consultants, Consultants, etc.) Continued…to sell a product and offer additional sales commissions based on the sales of people recruited into their downline, an organization of people that includes direct recruits, recruits' recruits, etc. This arrangement is similar to franchise arrangements where royalties are paid from the sales of individual franchise operations to the franchisor as well as to an area or region manager, but in some MLM programs, there can be seven or more levels of people receiving royalties from one person's sales. Hence, it is not a job. It does not require offices. The company has headquarters offices but it might not be in your state since they will place their headquarters offices in the state where they started. In the most legitimate MLM companies, commissions are earned only on sales of the company's products or services. No money may be earned from recruiting alone ("sign-up fees"), hence why you don't make money just by recruiting. You need to get customers to make money.
If you want a regular dead-end 9 to 5 job because you rather help your boss make money then do that but don't join any MLM company because you will actually need to do work and work the system set forth by the MLM company.

The people that complain are the ones that belong in a job working for somebody else. That is okay, just remember you will never be able to make more money than your boss. If you are okay with that then keep your job.

Also, If yor.com was a scam why do they tell you when and where they will be. Would they not just run away? Wouldn't there be cops arresting the yor.com memebers at the event?. hmm, your comments sound like nonsense to me!

First of all No legal MLM company would ask new members to pay this huge sum of money that Yor.com makes people pay (i.e. $390). Second of all try to look up "PYRAMID SCHEME" and read the "8 BALL model" section on wikipedia.org; you'll see that Yor.com is just an "8 BALL modell" of a pyramid sheme. Third, look up "VoIp" on that same website and you'll see all the bad stuff about those phones: you can dial 911 with them, people can read your conversations easily on the internet. This means that the only way you gonna be able to make money is by recruiting new member and pressuring them into becoming part of that sh*t called Yor.com. Finally if there's anybody who needs an education its you, cause instead of going to college and getting your degree and work, you rather swallow all Yor.com's lies. Any body is capable of becoming a boss or create his or her own business so not everybody as to work under a boss. And there's some people out there who are not interested in just making MONEY like you are but instead like what their doing that's why they don't mind working for someone else.

I am trying to bring them down to. i even called them out after one of their meeting as their top manager did not know anything about his companies finanial and income information. I want to start a movement agains this guys so if you live in new york please contact me. My email is fajedi62@yahoo.com. Please join forces with me as i cant do this alone. I intend to start by making fliers with my money that says YOR.COM IS A SCAM so people can at least know about them bEfore they get recruited. Then i intend to contact FTC to see if there is a way i can get them investigated.

ok Seriously..You guys complain so much about them. If There not bothering you then leave them alone. You people have nothing better 2 do then complain... there not putting a gun to people's heads and saying SIGN!

LMAO U GUYS ARE SOOOOOO FUNNY, I JUS BEEN IN THE BUSINESS ONE MONTH AND I AM ALREADY A MANAGER U GUYS ARE LOSING OUT, WATCH IN A COUPLE YEARS U GON B SORRY THAT U AINT STICK WIT IT... MARK MY WORDS

Originally Posted by Unregistered

When checking with the DSA (www.dsa.org) I didn't see them listed as a member. All the MLMs from best to worst are members of the DSA which prides itself on integrity, so if they can't qualify there, then they are most likely illegitimate.

It's relatively easy to distinguish the scams from the real businesses by the tactics they use. Real MLMs focus entirely on product sales training, while the pyramid schemes/scams use very refined marketing tactics to sell you a "business opportunity." An example in point:

http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/for...ad.php?t=16300

The representative is selling it as "A piece of $300 billion" in this instance, which is clearly fraudulent if I'm not mistaken. But the point is that this is the common theme where they are trained to avoid any important questions, represent it as some new get rich venture, and use irrelevant information to talk it up.

Running around the city all day selling a spot in a pyramid is not a legitimate way to run a business by any stretch.

yeah what kind of insane people saying that this company is a scam...are you guys stupid this is business not a job...do your research about voip...it's already happening this technology is blooming now...is you miss that one shot forget it...i'm sure i will not miss it

Originally Posted by Unregistered

LMAO U GUYS ARE SOOOOOO FUNNY, I JUS BEEN IN THE BUSINESS ONE MONTH AND I AM ALREADY A MANAGER U GUYS ARE LOSING OUT, WATCH IN A COUPLE YEARS U GON B SORRY THAT U AINT STICK WIT IT... MARK MY WORDS

right. the broadband telephone industry is worth over 300billion. not the company. nice try, find something else more legit to hate on