Visitation Question, and Withholding

We have a court agreement, that we split transportation costs 50/50. It also states my ex gets our children during winter break from Dec 25th-Jan2nd.

My ex just got a job for an airlines, customer service, and wants to fly them through that airlines to get his "employee discount". Dec 25th happens to be on a Tuesday this year, his airlines does not fly on Tuesdays. So he asked if I would send them the 24th, I said no, but I would of course still pay my half if he went with another airlines to get them the 25th. He eventually said no to that, he couldnt afford it, and said he will have them depart on the 26th. Ok fine, no problem.

I called the airlines today, to have them tell me the total of the tickets so I would have a estimate on how much my half would come too. After they told me the total, I explained to them the person purchasing the tickets is an employee and will be using his discount, so if they could just tell either the total after the discount or how much of a discount it is, I could then find out the true total and know my half. They informed me there is no such thing as an "employee discount", employees either fly for free using 'stand-by' or pay full price.

For those who don't know, standby means you book the flight, but you can only get on it if there room.. if it's full, you don't fly. Since it's a holiday (Christmas and New Years) the likelyhood of there being a free spot is slim to none.

So, my question is, if he does try to do standby, can I demand he purchase the tickets and we split it 50/50 like were supposed to and tell him I will not send the kids on standby since standby is NOT a guarantee, and the agreement states they MUST be back Jan 2nd? Like, what can I legally do if he tries to fly them standby? Do I have to send them, and HOPE they get back in time???

Angela

[angela2478]

We have a court agreement, that we split transportation costs 50/50. It also states my ex gets our children during winter break from Dec 25th-Jan2nd.

My ex just got a job for an airlines, customer service, and wants to fly them through that airlines to get his "employee discount". Dec 25th happens to be on a Tuesday this year, his airlines does not fly on Tuesdays. So he asked if I would send them the 24th, I said no, but I would of course still pay my half if he went with another airlines to get them the 25th. He eventually said no to that, he couldnt afford it, and said he will have them depart on the 26th. Ok fine, no problem.

I called the airlines today, to have them tell me the total of the tickets so I would have a estimate on how much my half would come too. After they told me the total, I explained to them the person purchasing the tickets is an employee and will be using his discount, so if they could just tell either the total after the discount or how much of a discount it is, I could then find out the true total and know my half. They informed me there is no such thing as an "employee discount", employees either fly for free using 'stand-by' or pay full price.

For those who don't know, standby means you book the flight, but you can only get on it if there room.. if it's full, you don't fly. Since it's a holiday (Christmas and New Years) the likelyhood of there being a free spot is slim to none.

So, my question is, if he does try to do standby, can I demand he purchase the tickets and we split it 50/50 like were supposed to and tell him I will not send the kids on standby since standby is NOT a guarantee, and the agreement states they MUST be back Jan 2nd? Like, what can I legally do if he tries to fly them standby? Do I have to send them, and HOPE they get back in time???

Angela

((Sorry to post twice, I thought I logged in when I posted the first time))

Originally Posted by angela2478

We have a court agreement, that we split transportation costs 50/50. It also states my ex gets our children during winter break from Dec 25th-Jan2nd.

My ex just got a job for an airlines, customer service, and wants to fly them through that airlines to get his "employee discount". Dec 25th happens to be on a Tuesday this year, his airlines does not fly on Tuesdays. So he asked if I would send them the 24th, I said no, but I would of course still pay my half if he went with another airlines to get them the 25th. He eventually said no to that, he couldnt afford it, and said he will have them depart on the 26th. Ok fine, no problem.

I called the airlines today, to have them tell me the total of the tickets so I would have a estimate on how much my half would come too. After they told me the total, I explained to them the person purchasing the tickets is an employee and will be using his discount, so if they could just tell either the total after the discount or how much of a discount it is, I could then find out the true total and know my half. They informed me there is no such thing as an "employee discount", employees either fly for free using 'stand-by' or pay full price.

For those who don't know, standby means you book the flight, but you can only get on it if there room.. if it's full, you don't fly. Since it's a holiday (Christmas and New Years) the likelyhood of there being a free spot is slim to none.

So, my question is, if he does try to do standby, can I demand he purchase the tickets and we split it 50/50 like were supposed to and tell him I will not send the kids on standby since standby is NOT a guarantee, and the agreement states they MUST be back Jan 2nd? Like, what can I legally do if he tries to fly them standby? Do I have to send them, and HOPE they get back in time???

Angela

((Sorry to post twice, I thought I logged in when I posted the first time))

Why not just comply with the 24th instead of being difficult? It only hurts the kids when you make things more difficult with the other parent. I also don't think you should be calling his place of employment (regardless if it's an airlines) to find out what the price is...that is his job to show you proof of what your half is. Give him a chance.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why not just comply with the 24th instead of being difficult? It only hurts the kids when you make things more difficult with the other parent. I also don't think you should be calling his place of employment (regardless if it's an airlines) to find out what the price is...that is his job to show you proof of what your half is. Give him a chance.

Didn't realize I needed to post the whole story for you to understand the reasons behind it all... long story short my kids don't want to go period, so I won't send them any earlier than they already have to go. Yes, it hurts our kids to have to go to their dads when they don't want to, but he courts dont care about that, do they? Nope. ((If you wanted them bad enough he could of easily scheduled with another airlines to have them the 25th like he is supposed too. Ty))

Now as for alling the airlines, I don't care if it's his place of employement or not, that *IS* the airlines the children have ALWAYS flown and will be flying this time again. Therefore, when i call to get a price quote, I don't see how that has any harm for him when i call just as any other customer does, his name was not mentioned just like if he didn't work there.

The question that I asked however, was not answered.

"So, my question is, if he does try to do standby, can I demand he purchase the tickets and we split it 50/50 like were supposed to and tell him I will not send the kids on standby since standby is NOT a guarantee, and the agreement states they MUST be back Jan 2nd? Like, what can I legally do if he tries to fly them standby? Do I have to send them, and HOPE they get back in time???"

Thank you

read my previous answer...stop being difficult. PERIOD.

[angela2478]

I am being difficult because he can't afford to purchase ticket's? Don't think so. I'm being difficult because he is forcing his kids to see him when they don't want too? Don't think so. I am being difficult because he has 365 days to look at a calander and see what day Christmas is on? Don't think so.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

We have a court agreement, that we split transportation costs 50/50. It also states my ex gets our children during winter break from Dec 25th-Jan2nd.

My ex just got a job for an airlines, customer service, and wants to fly them through that airlines to get his "employee discount". Dec 25th happens to be on a Tuesday this year, his airlines does not fly on Tuesdays. So he asked if I would send them the 24th, I said no, but I would of course still pay my half if he went with another airlines to get them the 25th. He eventually said no to that, he couldnt afford it, and said he will have them depart on the 26th. Ok fine, no problem.

I called the airlines today, to have them tell me the total of the tickets so I would have a estimate on how much my half would come too. After they told me the total, I explained to them the person purchasing the tickets is an employee and will be using his discount, so if they could just tell either the total after the discount or how much of a discount it is, I could then find out the true total and know my half. They informed me there is no such thing as an "employee discount", employees either fly for free using 'stand-by' or pay full price.

For those who don't know, standby means you book the flight, but you can only get on it if there room.. if it's full, you don't fly. Since it's a holiday (Christmas and New Years) the likelyhood of there being a free spot is slim to none.

So, my question is, if he does try to do standby, can I demand he purchase the tickets and we split it 50/50 like were supposed to and tell him I will not send the kids on standby since standby is NOT a guarantee, and the agreement states they MUST be back Jan 2nd? Like, what can I legally do if he tries to fly them standby? Do I have to send them, and HOPE they get back in time???

Angela

Your responsibilty is to send the children. It's your ex's responsibilty to make sure they are back in time.

Talk to your ex and let him know that you called the airlines and what you've been told. If it is possible to use standby, it will work out to yours and his benefit, even if a tcket has to be purchased. This really sounds like a problem that can be worked out if you are BOTH willing to compromise. If it takes sending them one day early, maybe he will agree to send them home one day earlier.

Originally Posted by angela2478

I am being difficult because he can't afford to purchase ticket's? Don't think so. I'm being difficult because he is forcing his kids to see him when they don't want too? Don't think so. I am being difficult because he has 365 days to look at a calander and see what day Christmas is on? Don't think so.

Of course you don't think you're being difficult. But think of it from your ex's point of view. All he wants is to see his kids (he has that RIGHT regardless of what the kids want, HE is NOT forcing that. I'm pretty sure you stated that you have a court order that states that....plus you should be encouraging a relationship with their father...) So what if he has 365 days to look at calandar for X-mas...you said he just recently got a job with the airlines; so I'm sure it wasn't on his mind that much before that. Also, I'm pretty sure that you said the date HAS been set, so he IS paying for his HALF (you said 50/50 right?...thought so!).
Unless he's some dangerous, drug dealing, bum that you don't think should be around your children then hire a lawyer and talk to them about your petty problems with "stand-by" and "MUST be back by Jan. 2" or you could talk to your ex and work those things out, rather then posting some pathetic blog hoping to get some good input because you're playing the "victim". Otherwise, knock off the childish crap and STOP BEING DIFFICULT.

Please see the reply I posted on your other thread.

[angela2478]

so he IS paying for his HALF (you said 50/50 right?...thought so!).

Unless he's some dangerous, drug dealing, bum that you don't think should be around your children then hire a lawyer and talk to them about your petty problems with "stand-by" and "MUST be back by Jan. 2" or you could talk to your ex and work those things out, rather then posting some pathetic blog hoping to get some good input because you're playing the "victim". Otherwise, knock off the childish crap and STOP BEING DIFFICULT.[/quote]

Wrong, we are splitting 100.00 because they fly free, we pay for the unaccompanied minor fee... so yah, for once he is putting a penny forward, hoooray!!

Like I said, you DONT know the story/situation, and if you did and still thought this way, then I would only assume your one low life like he was.

Anyways, i posted to find out the rules on the standby flights is all, and not to play a "victim" and again, their is no childish crap, and no difficulty.

I appreciate your input. lol