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Old May 20th, 2011, 11:03 AM   #1
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What, if any, rules exist regarding a divorced parents obligation to provide the other parent with information regarding the location of a child, where joint custody exists?

Example:
A) Child's father picks up child (aged 6 or 7) for evening custody, as agreed with child's mother.
B) Child's mother later sees child's father in a bar, without the child present.
C) Child's mother asks where the child is.
D) Child's father refuses to provide child's mother with information of child's location.

Is this either a criminal or a civil violation?
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Old May 20th, 2011, 01:45 PM   #2
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I wish to inform you that if father has taken child and is not informing where child has been kept then father can be accused of parental kidnapping. Parental kidnapping is a criminal offence and mother may inform to law enforcement agencies regarding child kidnapping and for location of child. Father cannot keep child without the information of other parent and thereby separate child from other parent.

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Old May 20th, 2011, 02:15 PM   #3
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What, if any, rules exist regarding a divorced parents obligation to provide the other parent with information regarding the location of a child, where joint custody exists?

Example:
A) Child's father picks up child (aged 6 or 7) for evening custody, as agreed with child's mother.
B) Child's mother later sees child's father in a bar, without the child present.
C) Child's mother asks where the child is.
D) Child's father refuses to provide child's mother with information of child's location.

Is this either a criminal or a civil violation?
When visitation is set it is assumed the other parent will utilize that time with the child -- not leave him or her with someone else and go off drinking.

The father's actions are contemptuous toward the mother, at least, if not the court ord er as well.

It should be brought to the court's attention by motion to revise visitation since the father isn't using it. To jump to the conclusion that the child has been kidnapped or secreted off to some secret place, has kidnapped the child, might be a bit over reacting. If the child isn't returned on time and a day or so elapses, then and only then should the other parent have room for concern. Drinking father sounds like he went into uncooperative b---head mode -- perhaps fueled by his liquid dinner.
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What, if any, rules exist regarding a divorced parents obligation to provide the other parent with information regarding the location of a child, where joint custody exists?

Example:
A) Child's father picks up child (aged 6 or 7) for evening custody, as agreed with child's mother.
B) Child's mother later sees child's father in a bar, without the child present.
C) Child's mother asks where the child is.
D) Child's father refuses to provide child's mother with information of child's location.

Is this either a criminal or a civil violation?
Sorry you are getting such egregiously ridiculous "advice" from the two resident trolls who clearly have nothing better to do with their day than spend it here 24/7 providing irresponsible advice.

When he has his time with his kid, he can have anyone he chooses babysit for him. It's, frankly, none of your business.

It's not a civil violation and it certainly is not a criminal violation.

You best realize this is his child too. Two people make a child. Not just one.

When the child is with you, you do not have to provide information on where the child is to him either.
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When visitation is set it is assumed the other parent will utilize that time with the child -- not leave him or her with someone else and go off drinking.

The father's actions are contemptuous toward the mother, at least, if not the court ord er as well.

It should be brought to the court's attention by motion to revise visitation since the father isn't using it. To jump to the conclusion that the child has been kidnapped or secreted off to some secret place, has kidnapped the child, might be a bit over reacting. If the child isn't returned on time and a day or so elapses, then and only then should the other parent have room for concern. Drinking father sounds like he went into uncooperative b---head mode -- perhaps fueled by his liquid dinner.
You seriously need a hobby. Your responses are asinine.

It does not need to be "brought to the court's attention that father isn't using" his visitation. Where do you get off? He can have a babysitter if he wants. Where do you get off assuming the mother in this scenario doesn't leave the kid with whoever she can pawn him/her off on when she has her time?

Many a parent has gone out of the night and left their children with capable sitters. You need to be a bit less haughty with your opinions and stick to giving legally accurate responses. From the looks of your answers, it's doubtful you even have a clue what's legally accurate and what's merely your opinion on how everyone should conduct their lives according to you.
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You seriously need a hobby. Your responses are asinine.

It does not need to be "brought to the court's attention that father isn't using" his visitation. Where do you get off? He can have a babysitter if he wants. Where do you get off assuming the mother in this scenario doesn't leave the kid with whoever she can pawn him/her off on when she has her time?

Many a parent has gone out of the night and left their children with capable sitters. You need to be a bit less haughty with your opinions and stick to giving legally accurate responses. From the looks of your answers, it's doubtful you even have a clue what's legally accurate and what's merely your opinion on how everyone should conduct their lives according to you.
The advice from anonymous trolls would be most amusing. If the tragedy weren't that someone might possibly take their advice. Turning a child over to a babysitter and going off drinking is not exercising visitation, spending time with the child but a bottle instead. That is not the purpose of visitation time. If a person chooses not to use it, would rather belly up to a bar instead, if the trolls on this board had every spent much time in a famil law courtroom would know are grounds to revist the visitation order and make some changes.
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The advice from anonymous trolls would be most amusing. If the tragedy weren't that someone might possibly take their advice. Turning a child over to a babysitter and going off drinking is not exercising visitation, spending time with the child but a bottle instead. That is not the purpose of visitation time. If a person chooses not to use it, would rather belly up to a bar instead, if the trolls on this board had every spent much time in a famil law courtroom would know are grounds to revist the visitation order and make some changes.
I hate to tell you this, sweetie, but you're the troll. You have chosen to show everyone here that you spend so much time on the computer instead of out in the real world that you went to the trouble of creating a screen name. The only thing "amusing" here are you outrageous, highly opinionated answers.

Fathers and mothers alike are free to parent their child however they wish, and if hiring a babysitter (really, how's that any different from the plethora of mothers who leave their children to be practically raised in daycare, most likely the OP included) is grounds for taking that parent back to court, there would be time for nothing else in their lives.

I love how you get so upset when challenged that your command of your spelling goes right out the window. LOL.

You're not giving legally accurate responses. You're giving your personal opinion on how parents should behave.

Further, if you have a problem with "anonymous" people providing answers here, take it up with forum administration instead of whining like a baby about it here on the threads. You're just one of many who use that tired old platitude as a way to veer the subject away from your own inadequacies in giving responses and redirecting it as bullying. Grow up.
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The advice from anonymous trolls would be most amusing. If the tragedy weren't that someone might possibly take their advice. Turning a child over to a babysitter and going off drinking is not exercising visitation, spending time with the child but a bottle instead. That is not the purpose of visitation time. If a person chooses not to use it, would rather belly up to a bar instead, if the trolls on this board had every spent much time in a famil law courtroom would know are grounds to revist the visitation order and make some changes.
Do you have kids? How many times have they been at daycare? Do you get subsidized help to PAY for that daycare like the compendium of mothers in the U.S. alone? Are you suggesting that no good parent would leave their child with a babysitter? Are you suggesting that only "bad" parents would do such a thing? Are you suggesting that you've never left your kids with anyone? (that is, if you actually have kids.)

Leaving a child with a babysitter while going out to socialize is not grounds for revisiting (not revisting) court to "make some changes". If that were the case, there would be no time for anything else on family court dockets. Critical thinking skills are not your forte eh?

The only person (sadly) giving out "advice" that hopefully nobody will be foolhardy enough to take seriously on this thread is you. Kindly stop giving your lofty fairy tale land opinions. If you have no legal advice to provide that has any merit, it's best to simply skip over the questions you cannot answer.

The fact remains that this father can leave the child with whomever he chooses on his time. Just as the mother can leave the child with whomever he chooses on her time. To even suggest to the OP that she has any "grounds to revisit court" is absolutely ludicrous and very simple minded.
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Agreed.

It mom were to go to court over something like that, the judge would quickly peg her as a woman who's simply trying to cause further alienation between father and child. This is the real world baby, and women must realize they don't run the show or control these men through their own children.

The judge would likely ask her "Don't you ever leave the child with a babysitter or in daycare"? If she answers yes (and there's no doubt she does), there goes her petition. Again, the judge will peg her as a trouble making, vindictive woman out to stick it to the father of her child.

If Friend in Court thinks parents who go out to the bars and leave their kids with a babysitter should be dragged into court over it, perhaps she'd like to take on the task of filing the petitions. She won't have time to eat, sleep, or even take short bathroom breaks because the courts would LITERALLY be FLOODED with people. This is a case where she should have thought before speaking.
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Wow, guys (and/or gals)! I didn't expect this to get all 'Flamey'! I appreciate everyones input- the 'personal' and the 'legal' opinions included- but, seriously; did it really have to go this way? With the name calling and all?

People come here for input and advice. Please, just take a step back before replying, and ask yourself: "Would I want to be spoken to this way?"

I guess the saying is correct: Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win...
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