Private Offset Bond (an explanation of said instrument)

Originally Posted by Unregistered What is the name of the banker you checked with? I'd like to verify his credentials -- like, who he works for. And what, exactly, did you tell him that he said was "right"? Because I want to make sure I ask him the exact same thing you did. But I'm guessing you will never respond. You've never actually read 22 U.S.C. 611, have you? I suggest you do that.

YES I HAVE READ 22 USC 611! The banker I spoke to is private is my private business. And who are you to verify anyones credientials? Only foreign agents think they are above the law.
Thanks for playing!
Have a great day!

Originally Posted by Unregistered YES I HAVE READ 22 USC 611! The banker I spoke to is private is my private business. And who are you to verify anyones credientials? Only foreign agents think they are above the law. Thanks for playing! Have a great day!

If you have read it, then you know how stupid you sound.

I'm sorry, but before I take just anyone's word for it, I'm going to check things out for myself. Everybody that advocates this process says "Do your own research and see what works for you." I've researched. I would like to research more by talking to your banker 1) To see what he/she has to say that might convince me that the process isn't fraud, and 2) To verify that you weren't lying when you said you talked to a banker. But, you won't give a name, so either 1) You never talked to a banker, or 2) The "banker" you talked to knows this is a form of fraud and doesn't want to get caught. Is your banker's first name "Winston" by any chance?

You're just like the people earlier that claimed to speak to somebody at eTrade, yet would never give out a name.

You're the one that thinks you are above the law, you and the rest of the PAYtriots. I follow the law, and I urge others to do the same.

I can't wait to hear what you have to say next! It obviously won't be proof that this process works, but it is good for laughs!

Hi everyone, my first time in here, but this forum is to learn or fight??????, you guy sounds so aggresive, calm down, you can't push people to do whatever you want, and he's right, are you thinking you are some important person to ask for credentials, PLEASE, get a life, I seen how you answer to everybody, wow, if you think this is a fraud, great, go to diferent forum, i didn't see anybody pushing people to do this, just posting comments, so relax and enjoy the life, go for walk that is good for your anger. Peace. thanks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered If you have read it, then you know how stupid you sound. I'm sorry, but before I take just anyone's word for it, I'm going to check things out for myself. Everybody that advocates this process says "Do your own research and see what works for you." I've researched. I would like to research more by talking to your banker 1) To see what he/she has to say that might convince me that the process isn't fraud, and 2) To verify that you weren't lying when you said you talked to a banker. But, you won't give a name, so either 1) You never talked to a banker, or 2) The "banker" you talked to knows this is a form of fraud and doesn't want to get caught. Is your banker's first name "Winston" by any chance? You're just like the people earlier that claimed to speak to somebody at eTrade, yet would never give out a name. You're the one that thinks you are above the law, you and the rest of the PAYtriots. I follow the law, and I urge others to do the same. I can't wait to hear what you have to say next! It obviously won't be proof that this process works, but it is good for laughs!

Originally Posted by Unregistered Hi everyone, my first time in here, but this forum is to learn or fight??????, you guy sounds so aggresive, calm down, you can't push people to do whatever you want, and he's right, are you thinking you are some important person to ask for credentials, PLEASE, get a life, I seen how you answer to everybody, wow, if you think this is a fraud, great, go to diferent forum, i didn't see anybody pushing people to do this, just posting comments, so relax and enjoy the life, go for walk that is good for your anger. Peace. thanks.

This is a forum that gives legal advice. Some people are saying things that are contrary to the law. I am pointing that out to people that might consider taking their advice. And no, people aren't just "posting comments." Long before I came along, the proponents of this process were calling people names if they doubted it, rather than stating valid reasons why it will work. Calling somebody a "foreign agent" because they disagree with you? Come on.

And I'm sorry, but there's a lot of debate as to whether this process works. The evidence that it does is very scant and comes in the form of "I've seen it work," or "I talked to somebody in finance that swears it works." What's wrong with asking for that person's contact info so that I can ask myself? You don't have to be an important person to ask for proof. You even say that I should do my own research. Well, I'm trying to do that, but I guess you don't really want me to...probably because the process isn't legitimate.

You: "Hey, this process works."
Common Sense: "How do you know that?"
You: "This guy told me it works."
Common Sense: "What guy?"
You: "That's none of your business."
Common Sense: "How do you expect me to believe you that it works?"
You: "You are a moron."

If you think the process is legitimate, great. Go out there and try it and see what happens. Then come back on here and tell everybody that it works, how you did it, and have some evidence of what took place. That's the problem -- people swear that it works, then they'll ask a question that reveals they haven't actually seen it work. Like our friend cocoi -- we still haven't forgotten about you.

Originally Posted by Unregistered If you say it's a scam, explain why...

My company received a bonded promissory note from a Mr Denny Ray Hardin of Kansas City , MO on behalf of a client of ours, he gave us the process to deposit the note and told us we would be funded within 10 days, today, 8 weeks later I received a letter form Wells Fargo stating that the FRB of NY would not honor the bond as it is fraud. When I called Mr Hardin to explain what I had received in the mail he kept throwing laws and amendments at me... telling me that I was making false accusations and that he would be taking legal action against both my company and I. Mr Hardin is a very angry man. I asked him who I might speak to that could verify that the note/bond was legal, he told me to cantact the FBI and told me that he had $601,000,000 in the FRB of NY, at that point I asked him to just send me the $3305.00 in a money order since he had millions of dollars on retainer, he called me an idiot and asked me to send the original bonded note back to him, I offered to send him a copy, but that wasn't good enough...For what reason other than him trying to cover his own butt would he want the original and not just a copy?

Originally Posted by Unregistered Just as a fyi the reason why there is a fee is because the bonds have to be sent out registered mail and other fees for the correspondences that goes out to banks. The private bank of Denny R Hardin and Americans Republic Party is two different things. He is an advocate for the Americans Republican party. The phone number 8162312258 is a good number but it is for banking purposes only. This phone is answered Monday through Friday 9am - 5 pm.

Denny Ray Hardins wife answers the phone "Hello" this is not a business this is a man who has his wires crossed and is suing the President of the United States.... Google him. This man was arrested and convicted in 2006 for tampering with judicial proceeding, his appeal was dismissed and that's just 1 Google him and find many many more cases.

i think he wants it back because according to the "theory" behind all this, he will either re-accept his promissory note for value, and or send it to the IRS for collection along with a certificate of dishonor.

the whole thing fascinates me, it is unfortunate that so many people are quoting each other, a quick google of "a statute is a legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed" will find a whole host of websites with honestly good intentions that quote this but won't source it. i have herd incidentally [only hearsay] that it is in the constitution of arizona but haven't checked as i don't live there.

on another note, could whoever has spent the money on dvd's from winston shrout please post them on the pirate bay (for people who have legitimate damaged copies [ROFLMAO]).

if slavery is illegal, and we have fundamental rights that require money (shelter food water etc) where is the remedy?

also the "security of the person" does appear in many constitutions and human rights acts.
what does it mean if not this?
what's a security? what's a person?

It does bug me how a lot of the people that claim to know the answers to these questions all want money and rewards, in theory they should all be getting more than enough to survive from their securities.

i think it would be both, ignorant and arrogant for anyone at this stage to say this doesn't work, it's very nature will mean it is difficult to find, otherwise it would be here already. unless you have yourself studied this for many years and covered every conceivable angle then you CAN'T know for sure.

And if this doesn't work, your probably a slave in which case, might be time to have a quick thinkeypoo about weather you like being a slave and your options for escaping it.

Ticon. The treasury securities you just referenced from UBS are actual debt traded on the open market. Your post has nothing to do with what this thread is about. You can go to your financial institution and buy the actual debt to receive a return. These offset bonds that are in regards to this discussion are private and are not "sold" in auctions publicly. Try again.

Originally Posted by Unregistered Ticon. The treasury securities you just referenced from UBS are actual debt traded on the open market. Your post has nothing to do with what this thread is about. You can go to your financial institution and buy the actual debt to receive a return. These offset bonds that are in regards to this discussion are private and are not "sold" in auctions publicly. Try again.

PWN3D!!!!!11!!!

I began research into this issue when presented with a BPN. I have put up with the threats, etc. that came after I "dishonored" it. I have followed this and another thread through my research and found an avenue to do my own discovery.

For those of you looking to find out for certain that these are indeed a scam, you can call 1-800-359-3898 and ask for Special Agent Sonja Scott or Special Agent In Charge David Smith who will be happy to tell you they receive literally hundreds of these a day and investigate and prosecute as many as time allows. They confirm - BPN's are a scam.

Call the Agents and do your own discovery. Please guard yourself with knowledge and do not fall prey to the deplorable and deluded intimidation tactics.